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ualpow
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Post subject: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 6th, 2009, 11:26 pm |
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I opened my 15x30x54" pool last week. The water was clear and I let the pump run for 24hrs. Then I used my new TF-100 and here are the readings. On 5/4/09 FC-2 CC-0 TC-2 pH-7.8 T/A-310 CH-260 CYA-30
I added 2 Gal of bleach to shock it, FC 12ppm On 5/5/09 FC-5.5 CC-0 TC-5.5 pH-7.8 T/A-290 CYA-30
On 5/6/09 FC-7.5 CC-0 TC-7.5 pH-7.8 T/A-350!! I tested this 3 times to make sure. CYA-30
I added 1lb Sodium Bisulfate and will check again in the morning. How can my T/A get so high? What would you recommend I do? I also have 2 trichlor pucks in the inline feeder set to lowest setting. When the CYA starts getting high can I switch to bleach?
_________________ 15' x 30' 12,000 Gal above ground vinyl liner Hayward Pump/ Cartridge filter Plainfield, Illinois
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JohnT
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 7th, 2009, 6:37 am |
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I'd recommend you read the Pool School article on lowering TA at pool-school/lowering%20total%20alkalinityThe biggest problem it will cause you is constantly rising pH. You can use pucks until your CYA gets where you want it, but it builds up quickly.
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frustratedpoolmom
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 7th, 2009, 6:42 am |
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Do you notice the drops coming from the tips of the TA dropper bottle - are they irregular or different in any way from the other dropper bottles in the kit? Try wiping the tip with a damp cloth between drops - there was an issue of static electricity with the TA test bottles and this may help give more accurate results.
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JasonLion
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 7th, 2009, 7:34 am |
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Try testing the TA level of your fill water. Very high TA usually comes from fill water with a high TA.
_________________ 19K gal, vinyl, 1/2 HP WhisperFlo pump, 200 sqft cartridge filter, AutoPilot Digital SWG, Dolphin Dynamic cleaning robot TFP Admin. Creator of The Pool Calculator. Other handy links: Support this site, TF Test Kits, Pool School
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ualpow
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 7th, 2009, 9:56 am |
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I will check the bottles and test my tap water today. Looks like I'll have to order more R0009.
_________________ 15' x 30' 12,000 Gal above ground vinyl liner Hayward Pump/ Cartridge filter Plainfield, Illinois
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duraleigh
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 7th, 2009, 11:15 am |
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ualpow,
I believe your issue is static electricity. I've had two other reports the past few days.
If that's the problem, the R-009 reagent sort of shoots off the dropper tip and the drops are noticeably smaller, even though the dropper tips are identical throughout the kit.
The solution is to wipe the dropper tip in between each drop (or every 2-3 drops) with a damp cloth or damp paper towel. This always seems to work.
The issue is documented in Taylor's website but I'll be darned if I can figure out why it happens.
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taekwondodo
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 7th, 2009, 3:20 pm |
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duraleigh wrote: I believe your issue is static electricity. I've had two other reports the past few days. I haven't had any issues since I called you last Saturday. Since pulling the dropper off the tip of the bottle, blowing through it real hard, and wiping it of, the test seems to be working great. Thanks for helping, you really went "above-and-beyond" for someone who spent $~75  - Jeff
_________________ ~45Kg Pool with attached Spa, NSP-72 DE, Minmax 400 Heater, Tahoe Blue Pebbletech, Jandy SWG via Aqualink RS-8, The Pool Cleaner (black) Pumps: X3 Hybrid Pump (switches to SPA), 2HP Spa (additional, when SPA is on), and a 1HP For Waterfall 8, 4x12 Solar Panels on the roof of the pool-house (~12' up) CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK: "I'M SORRY. I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF HOW AWESOME I AM" (Thanks to TFP!)
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ualpow
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 8th, 2009, 10:38 am |
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I tested my tap water and for kicks my RO water. The tap water is 350 T/A and the RO is 40 T/A. Now to try the fixes recommended here.
_________________ 15' x 30' 12,000 Gal above ground vinyl liner Hayward Pump/ Cartridge filter Plainfield, Illinois
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taekwondodo
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 8th, 2009, 11:23 am |
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ualpow wrote: I tested my tap water and for kicks my RO water. The tap water is 350 T/A and the RO is 40 T/A. Now to try the fixes recommended here. I'm a die-hard FW and SW Aquarium guy and use a LOT of RO water for my tanks. If you have a T/A of 40 out of your RO, it is time for a new R/O membrane. It should be (theoretically) be less than 1.0. Just a helpful aside. - Jeff
_________________ ~45Kg Pool with attached Spa, NSP-72 DE, Minmax 400 Heater, Tahoe Blue Pebbletech, Jandy SWG via Aqualink RS-8, The Pool Cleaner (black) Pumps: X3 Hybrid Pump (switches to SPA), 2HP Spa (additional, when SPA is on), and a 1HP For Waterfall 8, 4x12 Solar Panels on the roof of the pool-house (~12' up) CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK: "I'M SORRY. I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF HOW AWESOME I AM" (Thanks to TFP!)
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ualpow
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 15th, 2009, 12:30 pm |
Joined: April 5th, 2009, 11:44 am Posts: 9
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There was something in the tip of the bottle of the R-0009. I cleaned it out and wipe the tip between drops. The drops are noticeably bigger and my reading are still high but closer to normal. I am working it down with acid and then I will aerate to bring PH back inline. Thanks for the help. Can I buy R-0009 refills? Never mind I see refills on the site.
_________________ 15' x 30' 12,000 Gal above ground vinyl liner Hayward Pump/ Cartridge filter Plainfield, Illinois
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plaiming
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 15th, 2009, 11:53 pm |
Joined: July 27th, 2008, 2:37 pm Posts: 23
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I have been reading high TA (180-200)as well - and had even noticed that the drops on the R009 reagent seemed smalled than drops from the other bottles. I did not know if this is supposed to be like that or not. Is there a way to measure/weigh some number of drops to see if the reagent bottle tip is working properly?
I tested my tap water twice, and it was reading just at about 130/140.
_________________ 26K gal, vinyl, 1.5 HP pump, 18" sand filter, Goldline Aqua Rite SWG, Dolphin Diagnostic cleaning robot
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PaulR
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 16th, 2009, 1:36 am |
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You could just try doing the wipe-with-a-damp-cloth trick and see if it changes your readings; if it does, then you have the problem. --paulr
_________________ BBB "Intermediate Swimmer" IG plaster pool 18.5K gal, Hayward Pro-Grid DE filter, 3/4 HP Hydramax II; Polaris 380, 3/4 HP booster AG spa 325 gal, probably Sundance of some kind Water testing instructions on one page
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plaiming
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Post subject: Re: T/A is way too high  Posted: May 16th, 2009, 4:04 pm |
Joined: July 27th, 2008, 2:37 pm Posts: 23
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I have been running tests on tap water to see how much consitency I get. I was reading 130/140, but when I wiped the tip i go 90. After reading some more, I think I have not been testing properly. I was not holding the droppers completely vertical.
_________________ 26K gal, vinyl, 1.5 HP pump, 18" sand filter, Goldline Aqua Rite SWG, Dolphin Diagnostic cleaning robot
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