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Suley
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Post subject: Starting to add borax  Posted: January 11th, 2012, 6:37 pm |
Joined: May 31st, 2011, 3:48 pm Posts: 135 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Hi everyone!
I am starting to add borax to my pool for the first time. Pool calculator says 1112oz by weight for 40 ppm from 0 ppm. Thats a lot of borax!
Any tips on adding it to the pool? Should i just gradually add it so that it doesnt sit at the bottom while keeping an eye on pH?
Also the pool paramaters are: (pool is closed)
FC 1.5 CC 0 pH 7.7 CYA 65 CH 260 TA 90 Temp 49F
Any tips from where to get borax at a good price?
Thanks!
_________________ Suley, West Hills, CA IG 23000 Gallons with IG Spa Gunite plaster, Pentair Intelliflo Variable Speed 3HP, Pentair Clean and Clear Plus 420 Cartridge filter, Teledyne Laars One series 400,000 BTU Nat Gas Heater, Hayward Max Flo 1HP Single Speed Spa pump, Noisy Spa blower, Dolphin Deluxe 4 robotic vacuum.
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zea3
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: January 11th, 2012, 6:50 pm |
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Joined: July 10th, 2009, 3:08 pm Posts: 2645 Location: Upper Texas Coast
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If you use 20 Mule Team Borax, you can find it in the laundry aisle. Places like Walmart or Target usually have the best prices. However, if you use borax you will also need MA to bring the pH back down to normal levels. Read this thread about adding borates for directions. Borax dissolves pretty quickly, so if you dust it around the perimeter of the pool with the pump running it will mix in fairly quickly. You may want to go ahead and drop the pH down to 7.2 before you start adding borates since you are at the upper end of the recommended range at this time. You may also choose to use boric acid which does not require MA to lower pH, or a commercially prepared tetraborate pentahydrate solution from a pool store. Pool store borates will be much more expensive. You can select your source of borates on the pool calculator to determine how much you will need.
_________________ TFP Moderator Helpful links: TF Test Kits,TFP Pool School, Pool Calculator Vogue 21" round AG, Pentair 1 hp 2 speed pump, 36 sq ft DE filter, Upper Texas Coast
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Suley
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: January 11th, 2012, 7:01 pm |
Joined: May 31st, 2011, 3:48 pm Posts: 135 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Thanks for the replies!
You guys are wonderful!
I had lost the link to that post and couldnt find it by searching!
Just called a local target and they said they have 20 team mule borax 76oz for 3.49.... this is the best price i have seen yet...guess what i am doing as soon as i get off work?
_________________ Suley, West Hills, CA IG 23000 Gallons with IG Spa Gunite plaster, Pentair Intelliflo Variable Speed 3HP, Pentair Clean and Clear Plus 420 Cartridge filter, Teledyne Laars One series 400,000 BTU Nat Gas Heater, Hayward Max Flo 1HP Single Speed Spa pump, Noisy Spa blower, Dolphin Deluxe 4 robotic vacuum.
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RobbieH
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: January 12th, 2012, 9:42 am |
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Joined: August 30th, 2010, 12:29 pm Posts: 1087 Location: Dallas, TX
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You think that's a lot of borax, you should have seen how many boxes I had!
_________________ 44,000 gallon in-ground gunite/plaster pool, 600 lb. Pentair Triton II T100 Sand Filter, CompuPool CPCS48 SWG, borates at approx. 40, TF-100 test kit
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Suley
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: January 12th, 2012, 12:22 pm |
Joined: May 31st, 2011, 3:48 pm Posts: 135 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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LOL!
I brought half of it yesterday as the target only had 7 boxes.... once you see it physically, it doesnt seem all that much!
_________________ Suley, West Hills, CA IG 23000 Gallons with IG Spa Gunite plaster, Pentair Intelliflo Variable Speed 3HP, Pentair Clean and Clear Plus 420 Cartridge filter, Teledyne Laars One series 400,000 BTU Nat Gas Heater, Hayward Max Flo 1HP Single Speed Spa pump, Noisy Spa blower, Dolphin Deluxe 4 robotic vacuum.
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RobbieH
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: January 12th, 2012, 3:55 pm |
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Joined: August 30th, 2010, 12:29 pm Posts: 1087 Location: Dallas, TX
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I took a pic... I don't recall if this was all of it, but I don't think so. 
_________________ 44,000 gallon in-ground gunite/plaster pool, 600 lb. Pentair Triton II T100 Sand Filter, CompuPool CPCS48 SWG, borates at approx. 40, TF-100 test kit
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bobodaclown
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: January 12th, 2012, 4:55 pm |
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Joined: April 14th, 2011, 2:30 pm Posts: 494 Location: Lakeland, FL
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Been there done that. I switched to Boric Acid, much easier and about the same price.
_________________ 17K Kidney Shaped Pool Concrete (Diamond Bright) Pool, 3/4 hp Sta-rite Duraglas PEA5D-180L, 1.5 piping, Pentair CC100 Filter , Heat Siphon 100K BTU Heat Pump Pool Heater , SWCG CPSC48, SmartPool Nitro SmartKleen NC22 robotic pool cleaner, Lakeland Florida
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Suley
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: January 13th, 2012, 4:52 pm |
Joined: May 31st, 2011, 3:48 pm Posts: 135 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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WOW!
I think I am more comfortable now... since a 44K gallon took that much, mine should be almost half of that which is exactly what was calculated by the pool calculator...
Right now i am stocking up on the supplies as the $$ becomes available and will be doing the conversion as soon as i have it all together... So yes I will be getting tons of acid too...
Actually, I have to do quite a few things before opening the pool this summer... ascorbic acid treatment, replace spa drain cover, replace the suction side and return valves, maybe replace some missing tiles and boy o boy it will be a dream come true to have a SWG also!
I think it is too late for boric acid now since i have 7 boxes of borax in the garage already!
_________________ Suley, West Hills, CA IG 23000 Gallons with IG Spa Gunite plaster, Pentair Intelliflo Variable Speed 3HP, Pentair Clean and Clear Plus 420 Cartridge filter, Teledyne Laars One series 400,000 BTU Nat Gas Heater, Hayward Max Flo 1HP Single Speed Spa pump, Noisy Spa blower, Dolphin Deluxe 4 robotic vacuum.
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bobodaclown
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: January 14th, 2012, 12:33 am |
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Joined: April 14th, 2011, 2:30 pm Posts: 494 Location: Lakeland, FL
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You can use both. The nice thing about boric acid is you really don't need nearly as much acid.
_________________ 17K Kidney Shaped Pool Concrete (Diamond Bright) Pool, 3/4 hp Sta-rite Duraglas PEA5D-180L, 1.5 piping, Pentair CC100 Filter , Heat Siphon 100K BTU Heat Pump Pool Heater , SWCG CPSC48, SmartPool Nitro SmartKleen NC22 robotic pool cleaner, Lakeland Florida
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nupooldude
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: March 20th, 2012, 12:06 am |
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I'm considering adding borates to my 30,000 pebble tech salt pool. How much boric acid is needed in comparison to buying Borax? Does boric acid come in different concentrations? Chemistrystore.com sells a 50# bag of boric acid for $81.00. Seems even cheaper than using Borax from Wal-Mart. Am I missing something? Just checking as I've never used borates in my pool.
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George N
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: March 20th, 2012, 8:14 am |
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Joined: October 8th, 2011, 7:30 pm Posts: 293 Location: New Caney, Texas
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I don't know the answer to your question but someone will be along soon that does, just wanted to say welcome to the forum!  The POOL Calculator will show you, see my sig.
_________________ 18' x 42" Intex (4786 Gal @ 80% capacity) Intex 8110 SWCG, 2000 GPH cartridge filter. Full Sun, Well Water, Borates at approx. 50 TFTestKit-100--The Pool Calculator--Pool School
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bobby1017
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: March 21st, 2012, 9:43 am |
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Joined: February 2nd, 2011, 12:49 am Posts: 313 Location: Petaluma, Ca
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There are also choices of "granular" or "powdered" boric acid, which one of these is preferred? Just as a reference my 33000 gal pool would need 79 lb to get to a 50 borate level.
_________________ DONE, 20 x 40, inground gunite, 30" raised bond beam with 3 12" sheer decents, 8' diving board, pentair 420 cartrige filter, vs-3050 pump, intellechlor ic-40, auto cvr, Tahoe blue pebble tech, 6ea 4 x 12 solar pnls, legend robotic cleaner.
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nupooldude
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Post subject: Starting to add borax  Posted: March 21st, 2012, 10:52 am |
Joined: March 19th, 2012, 11:52 pm Posts: 3
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After a little research (and shipping costs and MA costs) I can accomplish the same borate level with Borax from Wal-Mart for less than buying BA from the online sources. Shipping is a killer/deal breaker.
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nupooldude
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: March 21st, 2012, 12:17 pm |
Joined: March 19th, 2012, 11:52 pm Posts: 3
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Melt In The Sun wrote: Bobby, I think I remember somebody recommending granular because the powder blew around and made a big mess. Never used either, but I would guess the granular would be easier to handle, but slower to dissolve.
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bobodaclown
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Post subject: Re: Starting to add borax  Posted: March 21st, 2012, 10:06 pm |
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Joined: April 14th, 2011, 2:30 pm Posts: 494 Location: Lakeland, FL
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Using boric acid was a little more expensive but you don't need to purchase acid and overall it was easier for me. I believe pool calculator will figure out the amount if you use boric acid vice borax.
_________________ 17K Kidney Shaped Pool Concrete (Diamond Bright) Pool, 3/4 hp Sta-rite Duraglas PEA5D-180L, 1.5 piping, Pentair CC100 Filter , Heat Siphon 100K BTU Heat Pump Pool Heater , SWCG CPSC48, SmartPool Nitro SmartKleen NC22 robotic pool cleaner, Lakeland Florida
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