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Yes, I have. Getting a suction side to work on both ends of the speed spectrum and no manual adjustment but it required a lot testing, but I found a fanatic working combo for my pool. Is your pump a 2 spd or variable speed? Try adjusting the flow keeper device to a lower setting to allow...

crickets here on this......Not surprised. Not recommended by the manufacturers from everything I can see.

This forum will overwhelmingly guide you to a robot. Ive had great success with suction cleaners and will continue to use them getting great performance, dead simple maintenance, and about 10 years of life with them. I like the zodiac suction side cleaners UD

How much swimming do you do in the winter where you live? I dont swim much during the week but do on weekends. Sometimes I won't swim for weeks. Other times Ill use it every day.

Always happy to help. I leave this setup like this for months unplug and skim a few days plug it in and clean a day unplug ...... Takes seconds. My experience is that gear and track/ wheel cleaners are more sensitive to continuous chlorine than the diaphragm type cleaners. I wouldn't...

On the hole in one - I used to buy a second basket and just cut a hole - I remove the whole thing at once the separate the two out of the water. If you are stopping the pump its pretty easy to move the detritus out of the way with a quick sweep of your hand. I don't think you'll have a main...

You can open the flowkeeper valve to a middle or low position - this way a % of the flow will be directed to the skimmer. A hole in one basket works well here. Since the vac plugs right into the intake port - not much changes - the flow keeper may pull a bit from the main vs skimmer You can...

I have a sand filter so backwashing is easy and I dont lose enough media to matter. UD

How long does it take to fully clean your pool?

I run this for a half a day every couple of days, maybe a full day after a storm and it sits here like this for months. Certainly all winter. There is only the occasional removal of the leaf trap - which is easier and quicker than a pressure cleaner, or robot because it does not need to be...

Thanks, I wish I paid 13.5 C/KWH. It runs pretty cheap. I love the kill o watt product. I could say my cleaner cost me nothing to clean my pool because the cleaner hitches a ride on the pump I'm running anyway - at the same power I run to skim- I dont have to bump power to get it to work...

Best setup for a variable speed pump and suction cleaner I've found is the Zodiac T5. I like the G series as well, but the round mat doesnt climb out of eth deep end as well as the squared mat T5 at low watts. Kreepies take more wattage to keep from getting stuck in my experience. I can run...

I paid I think 250 bones when I bought it, they are a little more now. This G3 was donated to a friend as a "first pool gift" and is 7-8 years in now gets run several days a weekend stays in the water nov -jan, it's needed 1- 20 dollar diaphragm. I think all suction side cleaners need some...

I find round sail mat cleaners (G3) have a harder time getting out of the deep end per watt than a square sail type like the T5. If you start running 300+ watts they all climb up pretty well - its low wattage/flow that seems to challenge them The square sail cleaner is less prone to the...

I prefaced my position by saying I'm going to be the contrarian here. Isn't thats what's cool about forums - that you get to hear from all sides? In a robot-heavy forum, you aren't the other side, I am. I don't intervene when guys that start threads between themselves about how great they are...

My suction cleaners get to 90%+ in an hour or two. I get great results. takes what 2 -3minutes to attach hoses and dump air - what about cleaning the robot filters and dealing with its cord? I found it to be a draw time wise. Robots are very simple to use, until rebuild time. Then it...

Mat type cleaners "brush" the pool as well with mat contact. Some robots only actually contact the pool floor where the tracks touch - other have scrub brushes. Dave so I understand you are letting the organic material sit in the water and continue decomposing and consuming free chlorine for...

How are you measuring your pool pumps electricity delta? You/ anybody - put a kill o watt on your robot and lets see what it actually pulls. With a super fine robotic filter are now cleaning your robot filter every day you run it. UD

When my pump died I poured in chlorine around the edge - and brushed the pool for a few minutes. Let's say for snicks the robot wins here. Whats a rebuild kit for an M500 cost? Can you do it all yourself? How long does it run before you need a rebuild? A diaphragm for a G3 is 20 bucks and...

They both pick up stuff you cant see. What they can trap and hold however is a different story. The robot can only hold debris as small as its filter micron rating, where the suction sides limitation is the filter.

Organic debris sitting in a robot is still decomposing and at some point it starts putting particles back out- I can leave my suction side in for months at a time. In line filter is great. Robot won't catch dust- goes right through. I can get my suction side to run at 230 watts whats the robot...

I'll be the contrarian here - this is a robot-heavy forum. I've had them all types- long enough for them to all go bad be fixed and need replacing. "KISS" With a variable speed pump its hard to beat A mat type suction side cleaner. Only 1 moving part. Running two motors isnt using less...

I like my T5 but wouldn't recommend it for a pool with low flow or a low HP single speed pump. Its aggressive directionality takes a bit more power to run - but rewards with more coverage and climbing. Powered and adjusted properly its great device - reliably working its way to the shallow...

Nope Everyone I know that has them has issues with them. Lots of complexity and plumbing. If the company that installs it goes out of business what good is lifetime warranty? Better read that warranty pretty close as to who pays for what when you have a problem. 2nd vote for suction side...

Was in it continual or occasional use? Sounds like you basically did one rebuild- pretty common in 4 years. All the complex cleaners require more work than the simple mat type cleaners that only have one moving part. I like my MX8 but its certainly more fragile than my mat cleaners, but its...

Nope. But Ive noticed in the LA area - if there are two otherwise identical houses the one with the pool will usually go first for closer to asking price. UD