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supertune
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 8th, 2011, 6:51 pm |
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Magnew wrote: yes, totally I don't know if I have seen anyone here have their CYA that high!  , Then again I've only found this wonderful place last April... Chuck
_________________ Intex 15 X 48 Above Ground Yeah, it's down!, Soon to have our Swim n Play 21' round UP! Waterway 1HP-22" Sand filter (Best thing I have done to this pool, get rid of the inadequate 'A' stock cartridge filter) TF-100 test kit - http://tftestkits.net/splash-page.html
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Magnew
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 8th, 2011, 10:59 pm |
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Joined: October 23rd, 2011, 8:26 am Posts: 65 Location: Orlando, FL
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OK, first round of water change is about done. I think I got about 25% drained and refilled. A very slow process.
Probably a question that has been asked before...but does anybody make pucks that don't have CYA in it?
_________________ Mike
9500 gallon plaster/gunite pool w/waterfall, 1/2 HP 1sp pump, 120 sq-ft Cartridge Filter, 336 sq-ft EPDM Solar Panels, Rainbow chlorinator
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 9th, 2011, 3:24 am |
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Yes, there are Cal-Hypo tabs, but they tend to fall apart quickly as they get smaller and have gummy fillers for binders and they need special feeders since they dissolve more quickly than Trichlor tabs/pucks. Though they do not increase CYA, they increase CH. Unfortunately, there are no slow-dissolving forms of chlorine that do not increase CYA nor CH.
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Magnew
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 10th, 2011, 9:42 am |
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Joined: October 23rd, 2011, 8:26 am Posts: 65 Location: Orlando, FL
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Well, I've completed two partial water changes, which I estimate to be about 60% of my total pool volume. Here are my new results:
FC .5 CC 1 TC 1.5 pH 7.1 TA 120 CH 350 CYA 100 (diluted test) Temp 66
Based on my new test results, it appears I have probably only changed about 50% of the water. I won't be able to do any more water changes until Monday night, as I'm about to leave on a business trip. Oh well, at least I'm headed in the right direction with all this!
_________________ Mike
9500 gallon plaster/gunite pool w/waterfall, 1/2 HP 1sp pump, 120 sq-ft Cartridge Filter, 336 sq-ft EPDM Solar Panels, Rainbow chlorinator
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 10th, 2011, 12:09 pm |
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Joined: April 1st, 2007, 8:12 am Posts: 11329 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Put some chlorine in your pool before you go.....about 12ppm or so. Your water is easily warm enough to support algae growth.
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Magnew
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 13th, 2011, 8:11 pm |
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Joined: October 23rd, 2011, 8:26 am Posts: 65 Location: Orlando, FL
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Hello all, I'm back, with more info:
After a three day absence, I came back to town last night and completed my fourth @ 30% water change. Put some bleach in after the refill last night, and here are the readings I just took tonight:
FC 17 CC 1 TC 18 pH 7.5 TA 140 CH 300 CYA 75 Temp 66
The CYA is coming down, but very stubbornly. Seems strange that TA is increasing with every water change? I'm pleased that my pH has come up, and the CH is coming down. I am still attacking with chlorine even though I have been doing water changes. I was surprised to see so much FC still in my pool, 24 hours after adding it. Normally it would be all gone by now.
What I am most pleased about is that the filter pressure is not rising quickly like it was before (I cleaned it on Saturday). It has only risen 3 psi since then. Normally, by now it would be 18 psi and the flow would be pitiful.
Should I finish the shock process and then do another water change to try to take the CYA down yet again?
Thanks everybody.
_________________ Mike
9500 gallon plaster/gunite pool w/waterfall, 1/2 HP 1sp pump, 120 sq-ft Cartridge Filter, 336 sq-ft EPDM Solar Panels, Rainbow chlorinator
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duraleigh
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 14th, 2011, 7:51 am |
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Quote: I was surprised to see so much FC still in my pool, 24 hours after adding it. Normally it would be all gone by now. That's an indicator that you are killing the organics (algae) in your pool so the FC is not consumed so fast. You don't say what FC you started with prior to your abasence so it is difficult to assess your situation accurately. Always dose and test all your chemistry accurately so you can see what changes have occured. i.e, if you started with FC 18 and now have FC 17 that's good. If you started with FC 45 and FC now 17 that's a different scenario. As Lershac indicates, I would continue the shock process until cc's are .5 or less and you lose not more than 1ppm FC overnight. Then the process will be complete and you can do your drain and refill to get CYA down some more.
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Magnew
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 14th, 2011, 8:53 pm |
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Joined: October 23rd, 2011, 8:26 am Posts: 65 Location: Orlando, FL
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Last night, I added enough bleach to bring my FC up to 21. Tonight, the FC was at 20, CC at .5.
I will wake up extra early tomorrow morning for the OCLT test, hoping to see that I haven't lost any more than 1 ppm of FC. I think I can see the finish line.
_________________ Mike
9500 gallon plaster/gunite pool w/waterfall, 1/2 HP 1sp pump, 120 sq-ft Cartridge Filter, 336 sq-ft EPDM Solar Panels, Rainbow chlorinator
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 15th, 2011, 9:09 am |
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I'll say one thing, when you get thru all this I'll bet your gonna keep that pool water sparkling  Any pictures of your pool?
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Magnew
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 15th, 2011, 9:23 am |
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Joined: October 23rd, 2011, 8:26 am Posts: 65 Location: Orlando, FL
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Got up at the crack, even pre-crack this morning. FC was down to 17; CC was close to zero. Added more bleach to bring it up to the shock level of 21. Will test and attempt the OCLT again tonight/tomorrow morning. The water looks as good as I've ever seen it. The filter pressure no longer increases daily. I will attach some pictures this weekend!
_________________ Mike
9500 gallon plaster/gunite pool w/waterfall, 1/2 HP 1sp pump, 120 sq-ft Cartridge Filter, 336 sq-ft EPDM Solar Panels, Rainbow chlorinator
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supertune
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 15th, 2011, 7:52 pm |
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Joined: May 3rd, 2011, 7:21 pm Posts: 278 Location: Clearwater, FL.
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Hi Mike, What is a latest CYA test? The last I see that you have posted is 75. If your shocking about 20-21 ppm chlorine, you need to be about 50 ppm on your CYA. In my case, I was at work for long days and my chlorine was falling below my shock value by the time I would get home. One of the moderators suggested I go over my shock value # by 3-4 ppm, so I would never fall below my chart shock level during the day. My pool passed OCLT in a few days after I started doing that. Chuck
_________________ Intex 15 X 48 Above Ground Yeah, it's down!, Soon to have our Swim n Play 21' round UP! Waterway 1HP-22" Sand filter (Best thing I have done to this pool, get rid of the inadequate 'A' stock cartridge filter) TF-100 test kit - http://tftestkits.net/splash-page.html
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 15th, 2011, 8:09 pm |
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Hi Chuck:
Hmmm...The Pool Calculator tells me that the shock value for my pool with all the last test data, including CYA of 75, is 21.
I haven't tested my CYA since the last water change, a couple of days ago. I thought that it would not come down any further unless I continued to change the water, so I just left it where it was so I could attack the algae.
Maybe I read something wrong, somewhere. I will test for CYA again tonight, before I go to bed.
Thanks,
_________________ Mike
9500 gallon plaster/gunite pool w/waterfall, 1/2 HP 1sp pump, 120 sq-ft Cartridge Filter, 336 sq-ft EPDM Solar Panels, Rainbow chlorinator
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 15th, 2011, 8:40 pm |
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Quote: I will test for CYA again tonight, before I go to bed. No need. You are correct, unless you drain or add water CYA will stay virtually constant in your pool for at least a month or so.
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Magnew
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 16th, 2011, 9:01 am |
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Joined: October 23rd, 2011, 8:26 am Posts: 65 Location: Orlando, FL
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Well, I think I've finally passed the OCLT test! Last night, my FC was 22 and CC was <.5. This morning, the readings were exactly the same.
Tonight, I will brush the entire pool again. Tomorrow, I will clean the filter, and then do another partial water change to bring the CYA down to about 50, I hope. After that, I hope to just "keep up" with the bleach!
Thanks everybody!
_________________ Mike
9500 gallon plaster/gunite pool w/waterfall, 1/2 HP 1sp pump, 120 sq-ft Cartridge Filter, 336 sq-ft EPDM Solar Panels, Rainbow chlorinator
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supertune
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 16th, 2011, 7:03 pm |
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Joined: May 3rd, 2011, 7:21 pm Posts: 278 Location: Clearwater, FL.
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Ok, I was using the pool school chart here for my pool: pool-school/chlorine_cya_chart_shockGreat news to hear you passed the OCLT! Chuck
_________________ Intex 15 X 48 Above Ground Yeah, it's down!, Soon to have our Swim n Play 21' round UP! Waterway 1HP-22" Sand filter (Best thing I have done to this pool, get rid of the inadequate 'A' stock cartridge filter) TF-100 test kit - http://tftestkits.net/splash-page.html
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Magnew
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Post subject: Re: Nightly bleach chores?...  Posted: December 16th, 2011, 7:11 pm |
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Joined: October 23rd, 2011, 8:26 am Posts: 65 Location: Orlando, FL
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Thanks, Chuck.
Yep, I see what you mean. I wonder why that chart is different than what comes out of the Pool Calculator? I though it all came from chemgeek anyway?
_________________ Mike
9500 gallon plaster/gunite pool w/waterfall, 1/2 HP 1sp pump, 120 sq-ft Cartridge Filter, 336 sq-ft EPDM Solar Panels, Rainbow chlorinator
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