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fortmyersmark
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: September 30th, 2009, 6:34 pm |
Joined: July 11th, 2009, 12:57 pm Posts: 48 Location: fort myers, florida
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Hey Y'all, I'm back. My pool has been the most awesomest thing ever since I converted it  . I recently bought a solar blanket on Sunday. I put it on, and two days later I got some algae growing. I dont know if their related, but I'll post some test readings in a little while. My chlorine levels have been normal.
_________________ Above ground, 24 foot round, vinyl liner 13,500 gals. 1 HP, 75 GPM, Cartridge filter, Kon-Tiki sucker thingy TF-100 test kit
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fortmyersmark
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: September 30th, 2009, 7:30 pm |
Joined: July 11th, 2009, 12:57 pm Posts: 48 Location: fort myers, florida
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Should I bring the FC's up to shock level?
_________________ Above ground, 24 foot round, vinyl liner 13,500 gals. 1 HP, 75 GPM, Cartridge filter, Kon-Tiki sucker thingy TF-100 test kit
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duraleigh
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: September 30th, 2009, 9:53 pm |
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Joined: April 1st, 2007, 8:12 am Posts: 9698 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Anytime you have visible algae, you should shock your pool. Remember, it is a process....not just one dose.
What are your test results?
_________________ Dave S. Site Owner TFTestkits owner TFTestkits , Pool Calculator , Pool School
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fortmyersmark
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 3rd, 2009, 3:59 pm |
Joined: July 11th, 2009, 12:57 pm Posts: 48 Location: fort myers, florida
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Total Chlorine 8 ppm FC 8 ppm pH 7.3 Alkalinity 55 ppm
These are my readings as of now. I just added enough chlorine to bring the FC up to 15. I bought some "stop yellow" at the pool store because the guy said it would get rid of quicker. Is this true, or should I take it back and get my $10 back for more chlorine?
_________________ Above ground, 24 foot round, vinyl liner 13,500 gals. 1 HP, 75 GPM, Cartridge filter, Kon-Tiki sucker thingy TF-100 test kit
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fortmyersmark
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 3rd, 2009, 4:22 pm |
Joined: July 11th, 2009, 12:57 pm Posts: 48 Location: fort myers, florida
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What about the correlation between the new solar blanket and the arrival of algae? Does anyone know if one has to do with the other? Maybe it's a coincidence or a cause.
_________________ Above ground, 24 foot round, vinyl liner 13,500 gals. 1 HP, 75 GPM, Cartridge filter, Kon-Tiki sucker thingy TF-100 test kit
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fortmyersmark
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 3rd, 2009, 4:47 pm |
Joined: July 11th, 2009, 12:57 pm Posts: 48 Location: fort myers, florida
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Sorry, CYA is .5 What is LQ?
_________________ Above ground, 24 foot round, vinyl liner 13,500 gals. 1 HP, 75 GPM, Cartridge filter, Kon-Tiki sucker thingy TF-100 test kit
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zea3
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 3rd, 2009, 5:52 pm |
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Joined: July 10th, 2009, 3:08 pm Posts: 2293 Location: Upper Texas Coast
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LQ=Liquid chlorine. I was trying to run your numbers through the pool calculator and its not adding up. Do you test yourself or do you take the water to a pool store? It would be very difficult to get a .5 reading for CYA. Do you know your pH? Also if your pool is 24 ft by the usual 4.5 deep it would be around 15200 gallons according to the pool calculator. That may be throwing the results off too! If you can run a fresh set of tests and post them and tell us what you are using to test with we should be able to give you better advice.
_________________ TFP Moderator Helpful links: TF Test Kits,TFP Pool School, Pool Calculator Vogue 21" round AG, Pentair 1 hp 2 speed pump, 36 sq ft DE filter, Upper Texas Coast
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frustratedpoolmom
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 4th, 2009, 8:43 am |
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Joined: May 20th, 2007, 2:59 pm Posts: 11039 Location: SWSuburban Chicago, IL
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I have a 24ft round 52 wall and my gallons is 13,500.
It's a coincidence-not the solar cover. I leave my cover on all the time and never get algae.
Your CYA is .5 - that result isn't possible, the tubes stop at 20 or 30.....??? Did you ever test your CYA level after you added it following your conversion?
_________________ TFP Moderator Helpful links: Pool School; The Pool Calculator; CYA/Chlorine Chart 24' round AG pool, 52" high, Laars "lite 2" heater; Waterway 2 spd Pump; 150 Sq ft. Clearwater Cartridge Filter; Former and DISSATISFIED "Pool Frog" owner NO LONGER FRUSTRATED thanks to TFP.com www.PerfectlyClearPoolService.com
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chem geek
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 4th, 2009, 3:11 pm |
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Joined: March 28th, 2007, 2:40 pm Posts: 5208 Location: San Rafael, CA USA
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It's possible the cover had algae or other organics that increased the chlorine demand significantly and had the chlorine level drop too low (relative to the CYA level) and the warmer water temperature would accelerate algae growth, but ultimately the algae was able to grow faster than chlorine could kill it because the FC/CYA ratio got too low. To prevent this in the future, if one is going to put on a cover that isn't known to be clean, one can either clean it first or raise the chlorine level in the pool before putting on the cover and then test more frequently until the chlorine usage rate stabilizes.
_________________ 16,000 gallon outdoor in-ground 16'x32' plaster pool; Pentair Intelliflo VF pump; Pentair IntelliTouch i9+3s control system; Jandy CL-340 square foot cartridge filter 12 Fafco solar panels; Purex Triton PowerMax 250 natural gas heater (200,000 BTU/hr output); automatic electric pool safety cover; 4-wheel pressure-side "The Pool Cleaner"
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frustratedpoolmom
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 5th, 2009, 6:49 am |
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Joined: May 20th, 2007, 2:59 pm Posts: 11039 Location: SWSuburban Chicago, IL
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Richard is correct - but since you stated the solar cover was new, I wouldn't place the blame on the cover in this particular situation.
_________________ TFP Moderator Helpful links: Pool School; The Pool Calculator; CYA/Chlorine Chart 24' round AG pool, 52" high, Laars "lite 2" heater; Waterway 2 spd Pump; 150 Sq ft. Clearwater Cartridge Filter; Former and DISSATISFIED "Pool Frog" owner NO LONGER FRUSTRATED thanks to TFP.com www.PerfectlyClearPoolService.com
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fortmyersmark
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 5th, 2009, 5:54 pm |
Joined: July 11th, 2009, 12:57 pm Posts: 48 Location: fort myers, florida
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Sorry, CYA is 60 pH is 7.3 Alkalinity is 75 FC right now is 12.5, gonna top up to 15 in a minute. Water looks like it's getting greener. I'm using a TF-100 test kit. My water averages 47" deep.
_________________ Above ground, 24 foot round, vinyl liner 13,500 gals. 1 HP, 75 GPM, Cartridge filter, Kon-Tiki sucker thingy TF-100 test kit
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fortmyersmark
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 6th, 2009, 6:08 pm |
Joined: July 11th, 2009, 12:57 pm Posts: 48 Location: fort myers, florida
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Why does the pool calculator show my shock level to be 18, and the CYA chart shows 24?
_________________ Above ground, 24 foot round, vinyl liner 13,500 gals. 1 HP, 75 GPM, Cartridge filter, Kon-Tiki sucker thingy TF-100 test kit
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polyvue
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 6th, 2009, 6:43 pm |
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Joined: August 24th, 2009, 7:53 pm Posts: 1219 Location: Sacramento, California USA
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fortmyersmark wrote: Why does the pool calculator show my shock level to be 18, and the CYA chart shows 24? I'm not adding my voice here because I know the answer; in fact, I've often noticed that there's sometimes a discrepancy between the CYA chart and the Pool Calculator's suggested shock level. The latter seems to suggest a normal shock level of 30% (of CYA) whereas the former is roughly 40%. I'm sure chem geek and/or JasonLion can clear this up for both us. 
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Butterfly
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 6th, 2009, 7:05 pm |
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Joined: May 30th, 2007, 8:57 pm Posts: 5928 Location: South Carolina
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fortmyersmark wrote: Why does the pool calculator show my shock level to be 18, and the CYA chart shows 24? Well, sometimes they agree to disagree: Re:Pool Calculator shock level vs. CYA/Chlorine Chart shock level JasonLion wrote: Either one, they both work.
There are some subtile differences in algae kill rates, numerical rounding, and safety margins between the various sources. We haven't gotten around to working through all the details and developing a consensus of which set of levels is more "ideal" yet. To add a personal note, the higher shock level should work a little faster.
_________________ TFP Moderator TF100 Test Kit - Pool Calculator - Pool School - Support This Site - Chlorine/CYA Chart You're done shocking when: 1)You lose 1ppm or less FC overnight, & 2)You have .5ppm CC's or less, & 3)your water is clear. 18K IG White Plaster - 1.5 HP Pump - Hayward S-240 High Rate 300# Sand Filter, TF100 Test Kit
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chem geek
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Post subject: Re: New believer in conversion, I'm doing it!  Posted: October 7th, 2009, 12:14 am |
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Ben Powell's original Best Guess CYA chart has higher shock levels at low CYA and lower shock levels at high CYA compared to my Chlorine/CYA Chart. Ben's chart was based mostly on his personal observations and experience while I started with his data but made it consistent with chemical theory in terms of the active chlorine concentration. His min/max columns were more consistent to the FC/CYA ratio than the shock column. I also added new min levels for SWG pools and shock levels for yellow/mustard algae based on reports on the forums. For minimum chlorine levels the prevention of algae is a fairly clear delineation with the upper limit mostly dependent on the maximum rate of algae growth limited by temperature and sunlight (assuming plentiful nutrients). The shock level, on the other hand, would just affect the rate of clearing of the pool so isn't such a clear cut delineation. Richard
_________________ 16,000 gallon outdoor in-ground 16'x32' plaster pool; Pentair Intelliflo VF pump; Pentair IntelliTouch i9+3s control system; Jandy CL-340 square foot cartridge filter 12 Fafco solar panels; Purex Triton PowerMax 250 natural gas heater (200,000 BTU/hr output); automatic electric pool safety cover; 4-wheel pressure-side "The Pool Cleaner"
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