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BigJD
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Post subject: Low water over winter  Posted: February 21st, 2012, 10:36 pm |
Joined: June 6th, 2008, 4:28 pm Posts: 153
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Hello,
When my pool closed in October the water was 4-6 inches from the top. Over the winter it has slowly leaked down to around 6 inches below the swimout. It has held at this level for the last month or so. Should I be concerned? What is the likely cause of this? Liner tear? The cover is 3-4 feet deep with water.
I just contracted with my paver guy for the patio build and I want to make sure I am clear before construction begins.
Any help appreciated. TIA
_________________ 16 x 42 x 24 In-ground Vinyl True-L, ~27,000 gallons, full width steel steps, 8' Cuddle cove swimout 2 X Colorlogic 4.0 LEDs Hayward Tristar 1 hp 2-speed pump, Hayward SwimClear C3025 Cartridge filter Hayward Aqua-Plus PL-PLUS Controls + Chlorination (waiting for NSTAR!)Hayward low-Nox 400K BTU heater Tigershark QC TF-100 test kit
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ROB N
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Post subject: Re: Low water over winter  Posted: February 21st, 2012, 10:54 pm |
Joined: November 26th, 2010, 4:06 pm Posts: 228 Location: Calera, Al
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Is the water level at the level of the light or returns perhaps? This could indicate a Leak as zea said at one of these locations or in the liner.
_________________ 17,000 gal, IG Gunite Diamond Brite plaster Kidneybean,w/7x11 tanning ledge& 3x5 swimout bench,244T 300lb Hayward Pro high rate sand filter(63 GPM) , Hayward 1Hp Super Pump w/3/4 hp booster pump, Polaris 280, Laars Lite 2 175k N/G Heater, Tf-100, Speed stir
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bk406
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Post subject: Re: Low water over winter  Posted: February 22nd, 2012, 6:23 am |
Joined: December 3rd, 2009, 11:28 am Posts: 2419 Location: Central Massachusetts
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If you have 3-4 feet of water on top of the cover, the water loss in the pool is most likely caused by displacement. Could be a hole in the cover and water from the pool is being pushed up onto the top of the cover as well.
_________________ 14,000 gallon IG, Vinyl. Hayward 3/4 hp superpump, Penatair IC40 SWCG, Pentair automation, Hayward sand filter, Aqua Comfort heat pump, Hayward 400k Lo-Nox LP heater.
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BigJD
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Post subject: Low water over winter  Posted: February 22nd, 2012, 8:01 am |
Joined: June 6th, 2008, 4:28 pm Posts: 153
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Rob - the water level is definitely below any returns I guess it is low enough that it could be at the top of a light. Definitely not lower than a light
_________________ 16 x 42 x 24 In-ground Vinyl True-L, ~27,000 gallons, full width steel steps, 8' Cuddle cove swimout 2 X Colorlogic 4.0 LEDs Hayward Tristar 1 hp 2-speed pump, Hayward SwimClear C3025 Cartridge filter Hayward Aqua-Plus PL-PLUS Controls + Chlorination (waiting for NSTAR!)Hayward low-Nox 400K BTU heater Tigershark QC TF-100 test kit
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BigJD
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Post subject: Low water over winter  Posted: February 22nd, 2012, 8:03 am |
Joined: June 6th, 2008, 4:28 pm Posts: 153
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_________________ 16 x 42 x 24 In-ground Vinyl True-L, ~27,000 gallons, full width steel steps, 8' Cuddle cove swimout 2 X Colorlogic 4.0 LEDs Hayward Tristar 1 hp 2-speed pump, Hayward SwimClear C3025 Cartridge filter Hayward Aqua-Plus PL-PLUS Controls + Chlorination (waiting for NSTAR!)Hayward low-Nox 400K BTU heater Tigershark QC TF-100 test kit
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BigJD
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Post subject: Low water over winter  Posted: February 22nd, 2012, 8:03 am |
Joined: June 6th, 2008, 4:28 pm Posts: 153
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_________________ 16 x 42 x 24 In-ground Vinyl True-L, ~27,000 gallons, full width steel steps, 8' Cuddle cove swimout 2 X Colorlogic 4.0 LEDs Hayward Tristar 1 hp 2-speed pump, Hayward SwimClear C3025 Cartridge filter Hayward Aqua-Plus PL-PLUS Controls + Chlorination (waiting for NSTAR!)Hayward low-Nox 400K BTU heater Tigershark QC TF-100 test kit
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BigJD
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Post subject: Low water over winter  Posted: February 22nd, 2012, 8:04 am |
Joined: June 6th, 2008, 4:28 pm Posts: 153
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It is way too early to open. Should I do anything now? The paver guys start in March, can I open in March or am I asking for trouble?
_________________ 16 x 42 x 24 In-ground Vinyl True-L, ~27,000 gallons, full width steel steps, 8' Cuddle cove swimout 2 X Colorlogic 4.0 LEDs Hayward Tristar 1 hp 2-speed pump, Hayward SwimClear C3025 Cartridge filter Hayward Aqua-Plus PL-PLUS Controls + Chlorination (waiting for NSTAR!)Hayward low-Nox 400K BTU heater Tigershark QC TF-100 test kit
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bk406
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Post subject: Re: Low water over winter  Posted: February 22nd, 2012, 8:46 am |
Joined: December 3rd, 2009, 11:28 am Posts: 2419 Location: Central Massachusetts
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If there is a leak, its probably not in the plumbing. If the returns and suction lines have been plugged off since october, and you did lose all that water to a leak, its either the liner or the light niche.
_________________ 14,000 gallon IG, Vinyl. Hayward 3/4 hp superpump, Penatair IC40 SWCG, Pentair automation, Hayward sand filter, Aqua Comfort heat pump, Hayward 400k Lo-Nox LP heater.
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BigJD
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Post subject: Low water over winter  Posted: February 22nd, 2012, 10:18 am |
Joined: June 6th, 2008, 4:28 pm Posts: 153
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I seriously can't wait to have the deck on and then get a real cover.
_________________ 16 x 42 x 24 In-ground Vinyl True-L, ~27,000 gallons, full width steel steps, 8' Cuddle cove swimout 2 X Colorlogic 4.0 LEDs Hayward Tristar 1 hp 2-speed pump, Hayward SwimClear C3025 Cartridge filter Hayward Aqua-Plus PL-PLUS Controls + Chlorination (waiting for NSTAR!)Hayward low-Nox 400K BTU heater Tigershark QC TF-100 test kit
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ROB N
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Post subject: Re: Low water over winter  Posted: February 22nd, 2012, 10:43 pm |
Joined: November 26th, 2010, 4:06 pm Posts: 228 Location: Calera, Al
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BigJD wrote: It is way too early to open. Should I do anything now? The paver guys start in March, can I open in March or am I asking for trouble? If you were to open in march, you just need to be sure that your pump is running anytime you have ambient temps below freezing. Also you will want to cover your equipment pad with something to help to hold in heat. I am using the fabric from an old 9' market umbrella that the frame broke on. It has worked great it is like a heavy duty drop cloth tarp, but i think you can pick up a cloth tarp in the paint section at home depot or lowes. My pool has been open all year and I just have the pump run at night and when the temps are expected to be cooler. But, from following your build I know you live waaaaay north from me... Plus we have had a very mild winter, my pool temp has barely dipped below 50*.
_________________ 17,000 gal, IG Gunite Diamond Brite plaster Kidneybean,w/7x11 tanning ledge& 3x5 swimout bench,244T 300lb Hayward Pro high rate sand filter(63 GPM) , Hayward 1Hp Super Pump w/3/4 hp booster pump, Polaris 280, Laars Lite 2 175k N/G Heater, Tf-100, Speed stir
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BigJD
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Post subject: Low water over winter  Posted: March 17th, 2012, 8:41 am |
Joined: June 6th, 2008, 4:28 pm Posts: 153
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No visible liner issues. Based on the water level I am guessing it is a light niche thing. 
_________________ 16 x 42 x 24 In-ground Vinyl True-L, ~27,000 gallons, full width steel steps, 8' Cuddle cove swimout 2 X Colorlogic 4.0 LEDs Hayward Tristar 1 hp 2-speed pump, Hayward SwimClear C3025 Cartridge filter Hayward Aqua-Plus PL-PLUS Controls + Chlorination (waiting for NSTAR!)Hayward low-Nox 400K BTU heater Tigershark QC TF-100 test kit
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BigJD
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Post subject: Low water over winter  Posted: March 17th, 2012, 8:42 am |
Joined: June 6th, 2008, 4:28 pm Posts: 153
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And on the plus side my water looked awesome until we pumped the cover water into it. But even still not bad!
_________________ 16 x 42 x 24 In-ground Vinyl True-L, ~27,000 gallons, full width steel steps, 8' Cuddle cove swimout 2 X Colorlogic 4.0 LEDs Hayward Tristar 1 hp 2-speed pump, Hayward SwimClear C3025 Cartridge filter Hayward Aqua-Plus PL-PLUS Controls + Chlorination (waiting for NSTAR!)Hayward low-Nox 400K BTU heater Tigershark QC TF-100 test kit
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CraigMW
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Post subject: Re: Low water over winter  Posted: March 17th, 2012, 10:21 am |
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Joined: May 19th, 2011, 10:35 am Posts: 314 Location: Orange County, CA
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BigJD wrote: No visible liner issues. Based on the water level I am guessing it is a light niche thing.  I agree. You can see the light fixture right at the water level. It appears you can still dig down behind it if needed to repair the seal on the fixture. Best to get it done before you have the pavers down.
_________________ 38K in ground pool with attached spa. Current equipment (in process of changing): weekly pool guy (fired!), 1x Pentair IntelliFlo 011018 pump (for filter), 1x Pentair 2HP WhisperFlo pump (for waterfall), 2X Pentair IntelliBrite 5G 12V lights, Pentair MiniMax400 NG Heater, Pentair SMBW2060 DE filter, 2X Intermatic timers. Zodiac Barracuda MX8 cleaner on dedicated cleaner line. Pool lights and rock/waterfall lights controlled by Insteon.
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swimcmp
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Post subject: Re: Low water over winter  Posted: March 17th, 2012, 5:47 pm |
Joined: November 8th, 2011, 6:35 pm Posts: 142 Location: Moberly,MO
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It is most likely the conduit from the niche from the looks of it. It appears to be at the level of the bung on the back. Could be the threaded joint or a glue joint
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bk406
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Post subject: Re: Low water over winter  Posted: March 17th, 2012, 6:34 pm |
Joined: December 3rd, 2009, 11:28 am Posts: 2419 Location: Central Massachusetts
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Could be the housing. If the put the screws in too tight, and really cranked on them, it could have cracked. Thats what happened to mine. A little epoxy and it was good as new. Either way, its an easy fix.
_________________ 14,000 gallon IG, Vinyl. Hayward 3/4 hp superpump, Penatair IC40 SWCG, Pentair automation, Hayward sand filter, Aqua Comfort heat pump, Hayward 400k Lo-Nox LP heater.
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swimcmp
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Post subject: Re: Low water over winter  Posted: March 18th, 2012, 5:16 pm |
Joined: November 8th, 2011, 6:35 pm Posts: 142 Location: Moberly,MO
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Yes easy fix before decking is done.
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bk406
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Post subject: Re: Low water over winter  Posted: March 18th, 2012, 5:52 pm |
Joined: December 3rd, 2009, 11:28 am Posts: 2419 Location: Central Massachusetts
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swimcmp wrote: Yes easy fix before decking is done. Mine was fixed after the deck. Still an easy fix.
_________________ 14,000 gallon IG, Vinyl. Hayward 3/4 hp superpump, Penatair IC40 SWCG, Pentair automation, Hayward sand filter, Aqua Comfort heat pump, Hayward 400k Lo-Nox LP heater.
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BigJD
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Post subject: Low water over winter  Posted: March 19th, 2012, 8:22 pm |
Joined: June 6th, 2008, 4:28 pm Posts: 153
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Okay I come home today to find both lights out of the niches and my control panel taken apart. So I am feeling like I need to get concerned ...
_________________ 16 x 42 x 24 In-ground Vinyl True-L, ~27,000 gallons, full width steel steps, 8' Cuddle cove swimout 2 X Colorlogic 4.0 LEDs Hayward Tristar 1 hp 2-speed pump, Hayward SwimClear C3025 Cartridge filter Hayward Aqua-Plus PL-PLUS Controls + Chlorination (waiting for NSTAR!)Hayward low-Nox 400K BTU heater Tigershark QC TF-100 test kit
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bk406
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Post subject: Re: Low water over winter  Posted: March 20th, 2012, 8:54 am |
Joined: December 3rd, 2009, 11:28 am Posts: 2419 Location: Central Massachusetts
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They just pulled the lights since thats where they think the leak is. Not sure why the control panel is apart.
_________________ 14,000 gallon IG, Vinyl. Hayward 3/4 hp superpump, Penatair IC40 SWCG, Pentair automation, Hayward sand filter, Aqua Comfort heat pump, Hayward 400k Lo-Nox LP heater.
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