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4boys531
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Post subject: How to check salt level  Posted: March 15th, 2010, 7:19 pm |
Joined: August 25th, 2009, 8:37 pm Posts: 23 Location: Lafayette Area, Indiana
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I will be plumbing in an Intex SWG when I open my pool up this year. We have not used a SWG in the past and I know you need to check salt levels to start. What do I need to use to check the salt levels? I saw Leslie's has test strips but they are expensive (10 strips for $12.99!). Is there a better (and cheaper?) way? Also, is it listed somewhere as to what salt to use and how much? I thought I had read it before but now I can't find it. Thanks!
_________________ AG 24' Doughboy 13,500 gallons 225 lb Sand Filter, Intex SWG Royal Spa Emperor II 545 gallons
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Pool Clown
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 15th, 2010, 10:06 pm |
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Joined: September 5th, 2008, 1:38 am Posts: 447 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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I'm biased because i have to check salt all the time, and it has to be accurate, so test strips wouldn't make sense for me. I use a digital tester offered by Goldline. It's about 100 bucks. 
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bk406
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 15th, 2010, 10:21 pm |
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I've not had much luck with the strips. Pretty inacurate in my experience.
_________________ 14,000 gallon IG, Vinyl. Hayward 3/4 hp superpump, Penatair IC40 SWCG, Pentair automation, Hayward sand filter, Aqua Comfort heat pump, Hayward 400k Lo-Nox LP heater.
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JasonLion
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 16th, 2010, 7:37 am |
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Joined: May 7th, 2007, 3:03 pm Posts: 22094 Location: Silver Spring, MD
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The digital testers are very good if they are calibrated against a known standard regularly. If they are not calibrated, they tend to drift and become inaccurate fairly quickly.
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Poolsean
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 16th, 2010, 9:06 am |
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It is a conductivity meter with a different multiplier/algorythm for salinity. The one pictured above requires at least weekly calibration. There are others that automatically self calibrate when it's started up. However, to ensure accuracy, you can't calibrate them enough, as Jason said. I use the Lamotte Pocket Tracer, about $120. It can store up to 20 tests, reads temperature, and does TDS and Conductivity too.
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mas985
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 16th, 2010, 9:35 am |
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Joined: May 3rd, 2007, 9:45 am Posts: 2988 Location: Pleasanton, CA
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You can save yourself a lot of money by just using the SWG itself. That is really the only measurement that actually matters. Here is the proceedure I use when refilling the pool.
First, target a salt level that is about 500 ppm less than the required salt level in case there is some salt in the fill water then see what the SWG reads. Then add the remaining salt to reach the proper operating range.
_________________ Mark
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dschlic1
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 16th, 2010, 12:22 pm |
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Joined: October 5th, 2007, 11:28 am Posts: 378 Location: Valrico, FL
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I second what Mark said. The point here is to make the SWCG happy within reason. I too have had accuracy problems with strips.
_________________ 7,500 gal, IG pool, L shape 22' x 15', 1.5 hp pump, cartridge filter, AquaPlus SWG/Controller, Pebble-Tec liner.
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Pool Clown
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 16th, 2010, 8:53 pm |
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Strannik wrote: Pool Clown, how often do you calibrate it? Good question. I've had it for over two years, check it every month or so, and only had to calibrate it once (the first time i checked it). It was off by 0.1 Jason, what kind do you have? If it is drifting, or becomes inaccurate fairly quickly, then there could be something wrong with it. We have three within the shop (including mine) And we often wonder why we bother to test them cuz they are never out of calibration! Mas, If you only trust your Generator for salinity readings, what happens (not if, but when) the sensor fails? It would be irresponsible for me to tell my customers they should always trust their units salinity report. If i did that, the customer would keep adding salt till he could walk across the pool.  Very rarely have i seen a unit report more salt than there really is. It almost always says low on salt (when they fail). Don't get me wrong, I feel the same way, you should be able to trust your unit. But the reality is that they fail, and that blasted low salt light comes on.
_________________ It's a Chlorine generator, not a salt water generator (SWG)! Factory Warranty/Service for: Jandy, Pentair, Sta-Rite, Raypak, Polaris, and Paramount pool cleaning systems.
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mas985
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 17th, 2010, 9:51 am |
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Joined: May 3rd, 2007, 9:45 am Posts: 2988 Location: Pleasanton, CA
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I am not saying not to test at all, only it seems to be a bit over done. I agree, when the cell is failing is usually a good time to confirm but that seems to be fairly easy to diagnose as well; salt level starts to decline and so does chlorine production. I have a drop kit myself but used it only once when I got it and it was pretty close to the SWG reading. Once a year testing and/or when you suspect a failing cell is probably the only testing that really needs to be done.
_________________ Mark
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mas985
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 17th, 2010, 10:22 am |
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Joined: May 3rd, 2007, 9:45 am Posts: 2988 Location: Pleasanton, CA
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The Goldline units will drop in production with a drop in salt level and/or temperature because they don't have built in compensation fot either. Something I prefer by the way.
Also, the SWG drops the salt reading with rain so again, I don't think testing would be required in that case either since it would give either a low salt warning to simply read at a lower salt level. I have been very successful on relying upon the SWG to tell me when I need salt. I just don't see the benefit of regular salt level testing and I certainly don't see the need for an expensive salt tester.
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Pool Clown
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 17th, 2010, 2:42 pm |
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Joined: September 5th, 2008, 1:38 am Posts: 447 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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I'll i am saying is, and i have pointed this out on another thread is: If your pool starts out with enough salt, then one day your unit shows a significant drop in salt, it means that there is something going on(other than usual rain dilution) and that you may want to get another test, independent of your system. To see if you have low salt, or some kind of failure within the Cl generator.
_________________ It's a Chlorine generator, not a salt water generator (SWG)! Factory Warranty/Service for: Jandy, Pentair, Sta-Rite, Raypak, Polaris, and Paramount pool cleaning systems.
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polyvue
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 17th, 2010, 6:11 pm |
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mas985 wrote: I just don't see the benefit of regular salt level testing and I certainly don't see the need for an expensive salt tester. In a way, you already have an expensive salt tester... the SWG/controller. To abate the anxiousness that comes naturally to a pool owner with OCD tendencies who sees widely varying salt levels and error messages as indicative of something gone terribly wrong, a second opinion can be of great comfort. I bought test strips to verify the SWG controller’s frequent reports of low salt, being assured that the low cost strips would help me determine whether the cell was malfunctioning or that additional salt was needed. Unfortunately, I found that the inexpensive test strips were far off in calculating whatever it is that the SWG was measuring, providing results that were sometimes 1000 ppm over the SWG. Strips purported to measure TDS were likewise unhelpful. This was resolved by changing test methods. Taylor’s K-1766 sodium chloride test validated the SWG cell’s output right from the start. Further confirmation was obtained by testing the sample with a lab test meter (calibrated for the occasion). The “benefit of regular salt level testing” (it’s now part of my weekly regimen) is primarily peace of mind – for that, I think $23 is a sound investment. Pool Clown wrote: If your pool starts out with enough salt, then one day your unit shows a significant drop in salt, it means that there is something going on(other than usual rain dilution) and that you may want to get another test, independent of your system. To see if you have low salt, or some kind of failure within the Cl generator. Point well taken.
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duraleigh
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 17th, 2010, 6:45 pm |
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Just to point out to the casual or new reader that the posters above are a mix of 1) professionals who probably test (and need to) daily and 2) residential pool owners who only need to keep track of their own pools. I'm an old clorox guy so have no educated opinion whatsoever. 
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mas985
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Post subject: Re: How to check salt level  Posted: March 17th, 2010, 8:55 pm |
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Strannik wrote: Interesting, I didn't know that. Out of curiosity, why would you prefer your chlorine generation to float along with the salt level/temperature? I was refereing more to the change with temperature than salt level. My salt levels don't change much so chlorine production is pretty consistent. But the reason I prefer to have chlorine production fluctuate with water temperature is that lower water temperature occurs primarily in the winter when the chlorine demand is reduced due to lower UV extinction and reduced algae growth. So bottom line is that if it didn't drift lower, I would reduce it anyway as the chlorine level would start to climb. Without temp compensation, chlorine level stays about the same throughout the winter. The opposite is true as well. For very warm water mid summer where chlorine production increases, extinction is the highest and so more chlorine is needed. It just seems to work out well.
_________________ Mark
18'x36' 20k gallon plaster/gunite pool, 1/2 HP 2sp pump, Aqualogic PS8 SWCG, 420 sq-ft Cartridge Filter, 450 sq-ft EPDM Solar Panel, 6 jet spa, 1 HP jet pump, 400k BTU NG Heater Hydraulics 101; Pump Ed 101; FSEC Solar Panel Information; Solar Heat Gain and Loss
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