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Formula27
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Post subject: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 22nd, 2011, 1:47 pm |
Joined: July 10th, 2011, 8:52 am Posts: 8 Location: Rockwall, TX
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Hey y'all I am trying to figure out why my ph keeps going up. Usually every week my ph gets to 8+. I add MA and get it back down to +- 7.4 and up it goes again. The pool looks great and hasn't had any issues since I added the SWG about a month and a half ago. Pool is salt 30k gal with a dolphin cleaner. Test results are from this morning.
FC- 6.0 (it was 0 last night because I was out of town, added 1.5 gal bleach and superchlor 13hrs on SWG) CC- .5 PH- 8+ TA- 140 CH- 230 CYA- 80 No borates
Do I need to keep adding MA or could it be something else?
Thanks in advance.
_________________ Taylor FAS DPD test kit. 30k gal salt in-ground plaster pool. CircuPool RJ45. Cartridge Filter.
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faby3003
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Post subject: Re: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 22nd, 2011, 1:59 pm |
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Joined: July 14th, 2011, 4:11 pm Posts: 61 Location: St. Paul, MN
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Your pH is climbing because your TA is high. The recommend TA range for a salt water pool is 60-80. I had the same problem with my pool.
Once your pH climbs to 7.8 or higher, add muriatic acid to bring the pH down to 7.2. Over time, this will lower your TA, and eventually you'll find a TA level where your pH adjustments are minimal. My TA is now at 90 (was over 200), and my pH stays stable at about 7.6.
_________________ 20'x40' Oval 26,700 gallon Vinyl IG 1HP Sta-Rite Pump, 30 sq. ft. Sta-Rite DE filter Polaris 280 w/ 3/4HP Booster Pump
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chiefwej
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Post subject: Re: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 22nd, 2011, 2:10 pm |
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I had trouble with rising pH. I used MA and aeration to lower the TA (from150 to 60), then added borates (50 ppm). The pH stays stable at 7.4 for a very long time, then one day it's 7.6 and I add a little acid.
The combination of a lower TA and borates has done wonders.
_________________ chiefwej Tucson, AZ 19k gallon Pebble Tec pool/spa, 2 hp Super II pump (x2), Aqua Rite T-15 SWG, Pro Grid DE filter, Hayward H400 & Solar heating
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anonapersona
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Post subject: Re: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 22nd, 2011, 2:12 pm |
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However, once you get the TA low enough to stabilize the pH at a reasonable value, it may not stay there. If your fill water has high TA, then every time you add water, the TA creeps up a bit. With high TA fill water (mine is 340) one just has to get used to the nearly constant addition of MA.
_________________ 22,000 gallon in ground pool with rock waterfall and spillover spa, Aqualink control system, Polaris cleaner, Purex Triton Clean&Clear Plus cartridge filter. Located in The Woodlands, Texas. Trouble Free Pool since April 2009.
Sill a novice, don't let the post count fool you
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Formula27
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Post subject: Re: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 22nd, 2011, 2:46 pm |
Joined: July 10th, 2011, 8:52 am Posts: 8 Location: Rockwall, TX
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Thanks for all the quick responses! I will read up on aeration. My fill water is very pool friendly so I don't think that is it. I will keep adding MA until it is down. Thanks again.
_________________ Taylor FAS DPD test kit. 30k gal salt in-ground plaster pool. CircuPool RJ45. Cartridge Filter.
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faby3003
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Post subject: Re: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 22nd, 2011, 2:54 pm |
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Joined: July 14th, 2011, 4:11 pm Posts: 61 Location: St. Paul, MN
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Unless you're at risk for scaling (which I don't think you are based on your test results), high TA alone is not a problem. If I were you, I would not bother with aeration. I would just measure pH daily and lower with MA as needed. Eventually your TA will come down and your MA additions will become less frequent. This sort of problem takes care of itself.
_________________ 20'x40' Oval 26,700 gallon Vinyl IG 1HP Sta-Rite Pump, 30 sq. ft. Sta-Rite DE filter Polaris 280 w/ 3/4HP Booster Pump
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anonapersona
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Post subject: Re: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 22nd, 2011, 3:04 pm |
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You can force TA to change by acid & aeration but you get to the same place so much easier just adding MA to lower pH to 7.2 and letting it rise on its own, redoing that when it gets to 7.8 again.
_________________ 22,000 gallon in ground pool with rock waterfall and spillover spa, Aqualink control system, Polaris cleaner, Purex Triton Clean&Clear Plus cartridge filter. Located in The Woodlands, Texas. Trouble Free Pool since April 2009.
Sill a novice, don't let the post count fool you
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Brushpup
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Post subject: Re: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 22nd, 2011, 4:22 pm |
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faby3003 wrote: Unless you're at risk for scaling (which I don't think you are based on your test results), high TA alone is not a problem. If I were you, I would not bother with aeration. I would just measure pH daily and lower with MA as needed. Eventually your TA will come down and your MA additions will become less frequent. This sort of problem takes care of itself. But he has a SWG. That changes the game on TA. It must be lower for that type of pool.
_________________ Patrick B. AGP 15X42, 3500 Gal. 30 GPM Hayward VL Sand filter. I don't get "Pool Stored". Grocery and Hardware stores have all I need.
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anonapersona
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Post subject: Re: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 22nd, 2011, 11:44 pm |
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Brushpup wrote: But he has a SWG. That changes the game on TA. It must be lower for that type of pool. Yeah, but it will still get there by going slowly. It doesn't have to be done fast. It can be. Just depends on how much you want to mess with the pool. If the aeration is easy to manage, fine. Run that fountain or whatever. But one does not have to rush it or go out and buy or make a bunch of stuff. This one is optional. Just manage the pH and the TA eventually goes down.
_________________ 22,000 gallon in ground pool with rock waterfall and spillover spa, Aqualink control system, Polaris cleaner, Purex Triton Clean&Clear Plus cartridge filter. Located in The Woodlands, Texas. Trouble Free Pool since April 2009.
Sill a novice, don't let the post count fool you
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Brushpup
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Post subject: Re: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 10:39 am |
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anonapersona wrote: Brushpup wrote: But he has a SWG. That changes the game on TA. It must be lower for that type of pool. Yeah, but it will still get there by going slowly. It doesn't have to be done fast. It can be. Just depends on how much you want to mess with the pool. If the aeration is easy to manage, fine. Run that fountain or whatever. But one does not have to rush it or go out and buy or make a bunch of stuff. This one is optional. Just manage the pH and the TA eventually goes down. I was strictly speaking about high TA in a SWG pool. I said nothing about rushing to do it or buying anything.
_________________ Patrick B. AGP 15X42, 3500 Gal. 30 GPM Hayward VL Sand filter. I don't get "Pool Stored". Grocery and Hardware stores have all I need.
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Formula27
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Post subject: Re: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 10:05 pm |
Joined: July 10th, 2011, 8:52 am Posts: 8 Location: Rockwall, TX
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Thanks again for the advice. I am going to start with MA for now. To do the aeration should I use my air compressor with a blow off fitting?
_________________ Taylor FAS DPD test kit. 30k gal salt in-ground plaster pool. CircuPool RJ45. Cartridge Filter.
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duraleigh
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Post subject: Re: High and climbing PH  Posted: August 24th, 2011, 4:46 am |
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Quote: To do the aeration should I use my air compressor with a blow off fitting? Others have done just that. It works.
_________________ Dave S. Site Owner TFTestkits owner TFTestkits , Pool Calculator , Pool School
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