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jlevino
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Post subject: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 1st, 2010, 9:08 am |
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Hello all. After 7+ years of using Baquacil my pool has become "immune" to Baq. After spending the last two years battling water mold and pink slime, my local pool store (an independent and reputable dealer) suggested that it was time to consider conversion to chlorine. After reading this board, I'm going to make the jump to chlorine. My wife isn't so sure about this, but we simply can't keep spending $400/month on chemicals. -- Read the conversion documentation: double check -- Purchase the TF-100 test kit: check - it arrived yesterday. -- Familiarize myself with the pool calculator: check -- Adjust pH and TA to values specified in the conversion post: In process, will do final check and adjustment on Saturday night before starting the conversion on Sunday morning. -- Have plenty of bleach on hand: In process -- Currently, I have 28 1.4 gal 6% bleach on hand, will be purchasing more in the next few days (as soon as Wally's restocks  ) -- Have a fresh box of DE on hand: check -- Digital camera: check. I'm thinking of playing Pink Floyd while adding the bleach.. -- Intestinal fortitude: Even after reading over a dozen successful conversion threads, I'm probably going to need help here once Mr. Bleach meets Ms Biguanide.... Only a few question for once the water clears and things settle down: 1) CYA or liquid stabilizer? InTheSwim offers an instant liquid stabilizer/conditioner -- is this easier to use and as good as CYA? 2) Trichlor or Calhypo or Bleach? I'm thinking of using bleach for a few weeks until I'm absolutely sure that the conversion is finished. As the pool has always been a Baq pool, I don't have a puck feeder. The pool store suggested PPG's "Sustain" system, but it seems pricey (even though an estimated $500 for an entire season is much cheaper than Baq!) Current pool readings: Baquacil Sanitizer: 42 ppm. Knowing my pool, it'll drop to about 35 by conversion time. Shock (peroxide): 121 ppm. Will probably drop to about ~100 by conversion time. pH: 7.7 TA: 108 ppm CH: 203 ppm CYA: 0 (duh!) Borate: 59 ppm Have I missed anything? Wish me luck and I'll be taking pictures. Jay
_________________ 23'x37' free form 20,500 gal IG pool (vinyl); Raypak RHP-115 heatpump; Hayward Super-II 1.5 HP Pump, estimated 45gpm flow rate; Dual AquaGenie Skimmers; Hayward ProGrid 36 sq ft DE Filter; Polaris 280 w/booster; Former Baquacil user; Fluent in: Fox Trot, Tango, Waltz, Viennese Waltz, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Swing, Samba, Bolero, Hustle, Salsa and Mambo.
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Richard320
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 1st, 2010, 9:17 am |
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jlevino wrote: Hello all. After 7+ years of using Baquacil my pool has become "immune" to Baq. After spending the last two years battling water mold and pink slime, my local pool store (an independent and reputable dealer) suggested that it was time to consider conversion to chlorine. After reading this board, I'm going to make the jump to chlorine. My wife isn't so sure about this, but we simply can't keep spending $400/month on chemicals. If I spent that much on my pool, I'd have filled it in and planted tomatos a month after moving in!! Quote: -- Read the conversion documentation: double check -- Purchase the TF-100 test kit: check - it arrived yesterday. -- Familiarize myself with the pool calculator: check -- Adjust pH and TA to values specified in the conversion post: In process, will do final check and adjustment on Saturday night before starting the conversion on Sunday morning. -- Have plenty of bleach on hand: In process -- Currently, I have 28 1.4 gal 6% bleach on hand, will be purchasing more in the next few days (as soon as Wally's restocks  ) -- Have a fresh box of DE on hand: check -- Digital camera: check. I'm thinking of playing Pink Floyd while adding the bleach.. -- Intestinal fortitude: Even after reading over a dozen successful conversion threads, I'm probably going to need help here once Mr. Bleach meets Ms Biguanide.... Only a few question for once the water clears and things settle down: 1) CYA or liquid stabilizer? InTheSwim offers an instant liquid stabilizer/conditioner -- is this easier to use and as good as CYA? 2) Trichlor or Calhypo or Bleach? I'm thinking of using bleach for a few weeks until I'm absolutely sure that the conversion is finished. As the pool has always been a Baq pool, I don't have a puck feeder. The pool store suggested PPG's "Sustain" system, but it seems pricey (even though an estimated $500 for an entire season is much cheaper than Baq!) Current pool readings: Baquacil Sanitizer: 42 ppm. Knowing my pool, it'll drop to about 35 by conversion time. Shock (peroxide): 121 ppm. Will probably drop to about ~100 by conversion time. pH: 7.7 TA: 108 ppm CH: 203 ppm CYA: 0 (duh!) Borate: 59 ppm Have I missed anything? Wish me luck and I'll be taking pictures. Jay Why wait until Sunday to start? If you give it the first big dose Saturday night, none of the chlorine will be wasted by sunlight. 'course you won't be able to take pictures hourly while you're asleep. Forget I said anything.
_________________ 16K freeform gunite with spa; Pentair 4000 DE filter; Century Whisperflow 1 HP; Pentair Minimax heater.
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jlevino
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 1st, 2010, 9:28 am |
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Richard320 wrote: If I spent that much on my pool, I'd have filled it in and planted tomatos a month after moving in!!
I've had that thought many times! Richard320 wrote: Why wait until Sunday to start? If you give it the first big dose Saturday night, none of the chlorine will be wasted by sunlight.
'course you won't be able to take pictures hourly while you're asleep. Forget I said anything. Work and family obligations prevent me starting until Sunday. Otherwise I'd be starting tomorrow evening...
_________________ 23'x37' free form 20,500 gal IG pool (vinyl); Raypak RHP-115 heatpump; Hayward Super-II 1.5 HP Pump, estimated 45gpm flow rate; Dual AquaGenie Skimmers; Hayward ProGrid 36 sq ft DE Filter; Polaris 280 w/booster; Former Baquacil user; Fluent in: Fox Trot, Tango, Waltz, Viennese Waltz, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Swing, Samba, Bolero, Hustle, Salsa and Mambo.
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 2nd, 2010, 12:38 am |
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jlevino wrote: : 1) CYA or liquid stabilizer? InTheSwim offers an instant liquid stabilizer/conditioner -- is this easier to use and as good as CYA? 2) Trichlor or Calhypo or Bleach? Jay 1) The liquid stabilizer is WAY more expensive than the granular. It only takes about a week for the stuff to dissolve. Save your money 2) Stay with bleach. Trichlor adds CYA. You do want SOME CYA, trichlor will get the levels out of control FAST. The only way to lower CYA is to drain and refill some water. Calhypo increases your calcium hardness. If you are trying to bring CH up, then it's ok to use some, as long as you use the pool calculator to find out how much the amount you add increases CH. Good luck with your conversion and don't forget the pics 
_________________ 12,800 gallon IG plaster kidney-shaped pool, waterslide, 800 gallon spa. 1HP 2 speed Sta-Rite pool pump, 1.5 HP Sta-Rite spa jet pump. 2 skimmers, 1 main drain Purex-Triton TR-60 325 lb.sand filter. 2" Plumbing, Intex SWCG, TF-100 test kit. Link to pics of my pool! http://www.troublefreepool.com/my-oasis-t26558.html
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jlevino
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 8:45 am |
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Sunday, 9:00am -- first dose of bleach. 9:30am -- first DPD test. 0 ppm FC, 10 ppm CC
Pictures to come as soon as I can upload off of the camera.
_________________ 23'x37' free form 20,500 gal IG pool (vinyl); Raypak RHP-115 heatpump; Hayward Super-II 1.5 HP Pump, estimated 45gpm flow rate; Dual AquaGenie Skimmers; Hayward ProGrid 36 sq ft DE Filter; Polaris 280 w/booster; Former Baquacil user; Fluent in: Fox Trot, Tango, Waltz, Viennese Waltz, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Swing, Samba, Bolero, Hustle, Salsa and Mambo.
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NCFlyersFan
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 9:02 am |
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Congratulations on the best decision you could have made. My wife was also skeptical about converting (I don't like chlorine smells, my hair will turn green, chlorine dries your skin out  ). I took the time to help her understand the very basics of chlorine (chlorine smells come from CC which we won't have, copper turns hair green, etc), which helped a lot. Then of course, once the pool turned a million colors she about killed me  . You can count on adding bleach at least every hour for most of today, if not more frequently. For the first couple of additions, I would shoot for 2 or 3 ppm higher than 15 as the baq is consuming the bleach almost immediately. Once you hold some FC, then calculate your additions for 15 ppm. Keep a close eye on filter pressure. You are creating a lot of gooey stuff that loves to quickly clog a filter. Did you at least sing Happy Birthday to America once the fireworks started in your pool  ???
_________________ 13,000 gal AGP, Hayward X-Stream 100 sq ft cartridge, 1 HP Hayward Power-Flo Matrix Pump, all on two 6-hour on cycles per day. Baquacil to BBB convert. "It is necessary for us to learn from others' mistakes. You will not live long enough to make them all yourself." - Hyman G. Rickover
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jlevino
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 9:41 am |
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Sunday, 10:00am -- 2nd Dose of bleach, lots more pretty colors. Can no longer see the main drain in the deep end, back yard smells like a chlorine tanker with a bad leak.
Sunday, 10:30am -- 2nd DPD test. 0ppm FC, > 30ppm CC. Filter is starting to build pressure.
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_________________ 23'x37' free form 20,500 gal IG pool (vinyl); Raypak RHP-115 heatpump; Hayward Super-II 1.5 HP Pump, estimated 45gpm flow rate; Dual AquaGenie Skimmers; Hayward ProGrid 36 sq ft DE Filter; Polaris 280 w/booster; Former Baquacil user; Fluent in: Fox Trot, Tango, Waltz, Viennese Waltz, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Swing, Samba, Bolero, Hustle, Salsa and Mambo.
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jlevino
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Post subject: More pictures!  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 9:45 am |
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_________________ 23'x37' free form 20,500 gal IG pool (vinyl); Raypak RHP-115 heatpump; Hayward Super-II 1.5 HP Pump, estimated 45gpm flow rate; Dual AquaGenie Skimmers; Hayward ProGrid 36 sq ft DE Filter; Polaris 280 w/booster; Former Baquacil user; Fluent in: Fox Trot, Tango, Waltz, Viennese Waltz, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Swing, Samba, Bolero, Hustle, Salsa and Mambo.
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jlevino
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 10:52 am |
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Sunday, 11:30am -- 4th addition of bleach. New color!!! Brilliant Yellow!! FC: 0 CC: > 20 Baq sanitizer level: 0 6% Bleach used so far: 16 bottles (22.72 gals)
_________________ 23'x37' free form 20,500 gal IG pool (vinyl); Raypak RHP-115 heatpump; Hayward Super-II 1.5 HP Pump, estimated 45gpm flow rate; Dual AquaGenie Skimmers; Hayward ProGrid 36 sq ft DE Filter; Polaris 280 w/booster; Former Baquacil user; Fluent in: Fox Trot, Tango, Waltz, Viennese Waltz, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Swing, Samba, Bolero, Hustle, Salsa and Mambo.
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 11:33 am |
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Great Job. Keep going, it will happen. I only have a 24 foot agp and it took about 50 bottles of wal-mart bleah to convert, so it might take you a lot. I have to say since my conversion last spring, I have had to do NOTHING to my pool except balance at the beginning of the season and add a few quarts of bleach every night. I went from spending over $300 a month in baq to around $40 in bleach for the month. I have never had to shock (except for start-up) and I have not had algae in 2 years now. I may be an exception, but my ph and alkaline stay within the normal range, so I'd have to say that my pool is truly TROUBLE FREE, thanks to everyone one this sight. Everyone have a safe and happy Fourth of July! 
_________________ 24 x 52 Round AG Empire Pool 13,500 gal. 1 HP Hayward Power-Flo pump Hayward sand filter TF-100 test kit
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jlevino
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 12:35 pm |
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Sunday, 1:00pm -- 5th addition of bleach. FC - < .5ppm (The dpd test showed the palest shade of pink. I think) CC - ~35ppm
Still a dramatic cloud of color when adding the bleach in front of a return though. Next up: first teardown and cleanout of my filter.
_________________ 23'x37' free form 20,500 gal IG pool (vinyl); Raypak RHP-115 heatpump; Hayward Super-II 1.5 HP Pump, estimated 45gpm flow rate; Dual AquaGenie Skimmers; Hayward ProGrid 36 sq ft DE Filter; Polaris 280 w/booster; Former Baquacil user; Fluent in: Fox Trot, Tango, Waltz, Viennese Waltz, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Swing, Samba, Bolero, Hustle, Salsa and Mambo.
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Richard320
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 12:55 pm |
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jlevino wrote: Sunday, 1:00pm -- 5th addition of bleach. FC - < .5ppm (The dpd test showed the palest shade of pink. I think) CC - ~35ppm
Still a dramatic cloud of color when adding the bleach in front of a return though. Next up: first teardown and cleanout of my filter. Oooh, this is so exciting! Keep the pictures coming - especially the innards of your filter all covered with some alien life form!
_________________ 16K freeform gunite with spa; Pentair 4000 DE filter; Century Whisperflow 1 HP; Pentair Minimax heater.
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 1:05 pm |
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Richard320 wrote: If I spent that much on my pool, I'd have filled it in and planted tomatos a month after moving in! ditto But there have been a few times when I looked into filling in the deep end some, building an aqua plant trough for filtering and stocking the pond with good tasting fish. It's certainly gotten to green/black, stagnant pond condition a few times over the years. Thank goodness the thought of attracting more snakes kept me from doing it. gg=alice
_________________ 1981, 25K, IG, Blue Plaster 1996, somewhat oval, widens a bit at shallow end, 1.5" pipes, 2" at Pad, 1 separate main drain, 1 skimmer, 4 returns + dedicated cleaner return, 10 ft deep end with very fast decline from shallow, Pentair Quad 80 DE, Pentair Intelliflo VF, 3/4 HP Booster Pump (equipment pad about 8 ft below top of pool), Challanger 3/4 Trash/Emergency Pump 120v, Polaris 280 (pressure), iRobot Verro cleaner (robotic), Aquabot Turbo (robotic), Jacuzzi Tracker 4X (vacuum) Pool Blaster (Buster), Two (2) PoolSkims, Solar Breeze (solar powered top skimmer) (beta to ver. 2, release date 2010), ColorSplash LED replacement bulb. Aries 550 gal separate spa, 2002 (our 3rd and BEST spa) , BBB-Bromine
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jlevino
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Post subject: More Pics...  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 1:30 pm |
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_________________ 23'x37' free form 20,500 gal IG pool (vinyl); Raypak RHP-115 heatpump; Hayward Super-II 1.5 HP Pump, estimated 45gpm flow rate; Dual AquaGenie Skimmers; Hayward ProGrid 36 sq ft DE Filter; Polaris 280 w/booster; Former Baquacil user; Fluent in: Fox Trot, Tango, Waltz, Viennese Waltz, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Swing, Samba, Bolero, Hustle, Salsa and Mambo.
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jlevino
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Post subject: Re: Going to start the conversion this Sunday  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 2:25 pm |
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NCFlyersFan wrote: FYI - I wouldn't waste the reagents testing for CC at this point. Only test for FC until your water clears, then worry about CC. Makes sense. Thanks for the tip. As of 3:00pm (6th addition of bleach): FC: 1.5 ppm Woot! Free Chlorine after an hour! Total bleach used so far: 24 bottles (~34.1 gal)
_________________ 23'x37' free form 20,500 gal IG pool (vinyl); Raypak RHP-115 heatpump; Hayward Super-II 1.5 HP Pump, estimated 45gpm flow rate; Dual AquaGenie Skimmers; Hayward ProGrid 36 sq ft DE Filter; Polaris 280 w/booster; Former Baquacil user; Fluent in: Fox Trot, Tango, Waltz, Viennese Waltz, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Swing, Samba, Bolero, Hustle, Salsa and Mambo.
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jlevino
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Post subject: Still more pics... Conversion seems to be on schedule...  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 3:14 pm |
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Richard320 wrote:  Get the kids and gross them out. Then tell them it was caused by people peeing in the pool.  Well, we *did* have a toddler in the pool recently More pictures... Attachment: pool10.jpg Attachment: pool11.jpg Attachment: pool12.jpg 4pm testing (prior to 7th batch of bleach): FC: < 1ppm (1 drop reagent went from very pale pink to clear) CC: Not testing until water clears as per advice. Going to have to break down the filter in an hour or so. Probably after adding the next round of bleach.
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_________________ 23'x37' free form 20,500 gal IG pool (vinyl); Raypak RHP-115 heatpump; Hayward Super-II 1.5 HP Pump, estimated 45gpm flow rate; Dual AquaGenie Skimmers; Hayward ProGrid 36 sq ft DE Filter; Polaris 280 w/booster; Former Baquacil user; Fluent in: Fox Trot, Tango, Waltz, Viennese Waltz, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Swing, Samba, Bolero, Hustle, Salsa and Mambo.
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jlevino
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Post subject: 8th batch of bleach and 2nd filter cleanout complete  Posted: July 4th, 2010, 4:39 pm |
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As of 5:30pm:
FC: 1 ppm Bleach used: 36 jugs (51.2 Gals)
Question for those with experience: There is no way that the filter will run overnight without completely clogging. I'm probably going to have to clean it out again this evening. Is it OK to shut the pump/filter off overnight or should I just set it up for "recirculate"?
_________________ 23'x37' free form 20,500 gal IG pool (vinyl); Raypak RHP-115 heatpump; Hayward Super-II 1.5 HP Pump, estimated 45gpm flow rate; Dual AquaGenie Skimmers; Hayward ProGrid 36 sq ft DE Filter; Polaris 280 w/booster; Former Baquacil user; Fluent in: Fox Trot, Tango, Waltz, Viennese Waltz, Cha Cha Cha, Rumba, Swing, Samba, Bolero, Hustle, Salsa and Mambo.
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