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alben
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Post subject: CYA disappears  Posted: August 5th, 2011, 3:05 pm |
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Joined: April 23rd, 2009, 1:22 am Posts: 50 Location: Central MN
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My CYA gradually disappears. My location in central Minnesota. Pool temp is kept between 83F and 87F. Whenever we are not in the pool, the safety cover is on, so the pool gets relatively no sunlight. To counter act the CYA disappearance, I periodically add dichlor or trichlor instead of liquid bleach. Any idea what is happening here? This past week the chlorine suddenly went to zero and the water got slightly cloudy, so I added a lot of liquid bleach. Today (Aug 5), I noticed that the CYA is suddenly lower. Hmmm....
Here is a complete history of this year's chem numbers and the chems added:
City Water tested on 2011 05/28 FC 1 pH 7.8 T/A 120 CH 130 Temp 48F
2011 05/17 Open pool and start pump FC 0 CC 0 TC 0 pH 7.5 T/A 130 CH 60 CYA 0 Temp 48F Borates 15ppm
2011 05/18 FC 3 CC 25 TC 28 pH 7.2 T/A 130
2011 05/19 FC 2 CC 19 TC 21 pH 7.2 T/A 130 CH 70 CYA 30 Temp 49F
2011 05/21 FC 1 CC 12 TC 13 pH 7.0
2011 05/22 FC 1 CC 7 TC 8 pH 7.0
2011 05/23 FC 7 CC 1 TC 8 pH 7.0 Temp 54F
2011 05/24 FC 8 CC 1 TC 9 pH 7.2 Temp 54F
2011 05/25 pH 7.3
2011 05/26 1 FC 12 CC 1 TC 13 pH 7.4 Temp 54F
2011 05/26 2 FC 16 CC 1 TC 17 pH 7.4 T/A 120 CH 70 CYA 35 Temp 56F
2011 06/02 FC 5.5 CC 2 TC 7.5 pH 7.7 T/A 100 CH 70 CYA 30 Temp 81F
2011 06/05 FC 2.5 CC 0.5 TC 3 pH 7.5 Temp 89F
2011 06/07 FC 6 CC 1 TC 7 pH 7.6 Temp 87F
2011 06/09 TC 2 pH 7.8 Temp 82F
2011 06/11 FC 7 CC 0.5 TC 7.5 pH 7.8 Temp 78F
2011 06/18 FC 7.5 CC 0.5 TC 8 pH 7.8 Temp 87F
2011 06/25 FC 2 CC 0.5 TC 2.5 pH 7.8 T/A 100 CH 70 CYA 33 Temp 87F
2011 07/02 FC 1.5 CC 0.5 TC 2 pH 7.7 Temp 88F
2011 07/03 FC 6 CC 0.5 TC 6.5 pH 7.6 Temp 88F
2011 07/05 FC 0 pH 7.8 Temp 84F
2011 07/06 FC 23 CC 0.5 TC 23.5 pH 8.2 Temp 83F
2011 07/07 FC 19.5 CC 0.5 TC 20 pH 8.2 Temp 83F
2011 07/08 FC 14 CC 0.5 TC 14.5 pH 7.4 T/A 90 CH 70 CYA 30 Temp 82F
2011 07/09 FC 9 CC 0.5 TC 9.5 pH 7.4 T/A 90 CH 80 CYA 25 Temp 86F
2011 07/10 FC 7 CC 0.5 TC 7.5 pH 7.4 Temp 85F
2011 07/13 FC 12 CC 0.5 TC 12.5 pH 7.4 Temp 82F
2011 07/16 FC 10 CC 0.5 TC 10.5 pH 7.5 Temp 78F
2011 07/22 FC 12 CC 0 TC 12 pH 7.4 T/A 90 CH 80 CYA 20 Temp 88F
2011 07/25 FC 8 CC 0.5 TC 8.5 pH 7.5 Temp 86F
2011 07/29 FC 8 CC 0.5 TC 8.5 pH 7.5 T/A 80 CH 70 CYA 30 Temp 87F
2011 07/31 FC 6.5 CC 0.5 TC 7.0 pH 7.4 T/A 80 CH 70 CYA 30 Temp 86F
2011 08/02 1 FC 0 pH 7.2 Temp 83F
2011 08/02 2 FC 13.5 CC 1.0 TC 14.5 pH 7.3 Temp 84F
2011 08/03 FC 17.5 CC 1.0 TC 18.5 pH 7.4 Temp 83F
2011 08/04 FC 13.0 CC 0.5 TC 13.5 pH 7.5 Temp 83F
2011 08/05 FC 8.0 CC 0.5 TC 8.5 pH 7.5 T/A 100 CH 70 CYA 10 Temp 82F Borates 20ppm
Chemicals added and the expected result based on TFP calculator iPhone app: Pool startup 2011 05/17 84oz dichlor FC 20.2 CYA 18 pH down .77 4 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 28.8 2 boxes Borax pH up .35
2011 05/18 32oz dichlor FC 7.7 CYA 7 pH down .29 2 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 14.4 2 boxes Borax pH up .35
2011 05/19 4 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 28.8
2011 05/20 2 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 14.4
2011 05/21 2 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 14.4
2011 05/22 4 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 28.8
2011 05/23 1 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 7.2
2011 05/24 1 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 7.2
2011 05/26 20oz dichlor FC 4.8 CYA 4 pH down .18
2011 06/01 1 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 7.2
2011 06/02 32oz dichlor FC 7.7 CYA 7 pH down .29
2011 06/05 1 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 7.2
2011 06/08 16oz dichlor FC 3.8 CYA 3 pH down .15
2011 06/15 1 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 7.2
2011 06/25 1 tablet 7oz trichlor FC 2.8 CYA 2 pH down .15
2011 06/27 1 tablet 7oz trichlor FC 2.8 CYA 2 pH down .15
2011 07/02 1 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 7.2
2011 07/05 3 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 21.6
2011 07/07 2 quarts 31.45% 20 baume muriatic acid pH 0.7 down
2011 07/10 3 lbs baking soda pH up 0.4 3 tablets 7oz trichlor FC 8.3 CYA 5 pH down .45
2011 07/16 2 tablets 7oz trichlor FC 5.6 CYA 3 pH down .30
2011 07/24 1 tablet 7oz trichlor FC 2.8 CYA 2 pH down .15
2011 07/28 1 tablet 7oz trichlor FC 2.8 CYA 2 pH down .15
2011 07/31 3 lbs baking soda pH up 0.4 1 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 7.2
2011 08/02 3 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 21.6 1 jugs 12.5% chlorine FC 7.2
_________________ 18' X 36' X 4.5' vinyl oval in-ground 17K gallons, 250K BTU Pentair Master Temp NG heater, 1HP Hayward Super Pump, Hayward S200 sand filter, Hayward Pool Vac
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dmanb2b
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Post subject: Re: CYA disappears  Posted: August 5th, 2011, 3:11 pm |
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Joined: April 4th, 2009, 9:30 am Posts: 3294 Location: NY
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Hi, sorry to here about your troubles. What test kit are you using to measure CYA down to 2ppm? The K2006 or TF100 at best can only measure down to 20ppm, anything lower should be considered zero. That said, any chance you have an autofill device that may be masking a leak? How long does the pool stay covered for? We have heard of cases where CYA converts to ammonia over the winter, but odd to see that happen during the swim season 
_________________ 24'x52" AGP (13,500 Gallons), Intex SWG, (2)Solar Bear 4x20 panels, Hayward S220T Filter, 1/2hp Pentair Superflo
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alben
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Post subject: Re: CYA disappears  Posted: August 5th, 2011, 5:09 pm |
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Joined: April 23rd, 2009, 1:22 am Posts: 50 Location: Central MN
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I am using the TF-100 test kit. I think you read my post wrong. The 1st half of the post is my actual measurements. The 2nd half of the post is the chemicals I added and their expected change to my pool chemistry based on the TFP iPhone Pool calculator app.
No autofill device. Actually we have had so much rain this summer, that I seldom have had to add water. Since the pool opening and initial top off, I probably have only added 6 inches of city water total this summer.
The pool probably gets used every 3rd day, where the cover will be off for 3 hours. So say, maybe it gets exposed to the sun 8-10 hours a week. The rest of the time it is covered with an extreme safety cover that lets very little light through it.
_________________ 18' X 36' X 4.5' vinyl oval in-ground 17K gallons, 250K BTU Pentair Master Temp NG heater, 1HP Hayward Super Pump, Hayward S200 sand filter, Hayward Pool Vac
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chem geek
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Post subject: Re: CYA disappears  Posted: August 5th, 2011, 8:24 pm |
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Joined: March 28th, 2007, 2:40 pm Posts: 5402 Location: San Rafael, CA USA
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High chlorine levels can slowly oxidize CYA. Usually though, normal chlorine levels would lower CYA at a rate of around 2-3 ppm per month. In a hot spa we typically see around 5 ppm CYA per month drop. It's possible something in the water is catalyzing the reaction to go faster or there could be some water leak/refill going on (you can do a bucket Leak Detection test to verify that).
_________________ 16,000 gallon outdoor in-ground 16'x32' plaster pool; Pentair Intelliflo VF pump; Pentair IntelliTouch i9+3s control system; Jandy CL-340 square foot cartridge filter 12 Fafco solar panels; Purex Triton PowerMax 250 natural gas heater (200,000 BTU/hr output); automatic electric pool safety cover; 4-wheel pressure-side "The Pool Cleaner"
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anonapersona
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Post subject: Re: CYA disappears  Posted: August 6th, 2011, 11:01 pm |
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Joined: November 5th, 2008, 7:13 am Posts: 1918
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Has the rain been enough to make the pool overflow? or to make you have to lower the water level on purpose?
_________________ 22,000 gallon in ground pool with rock waterfall and spillover spa, Aqualink control system, Polaris cleaner, Purex Triton Clean&Clear Plus cartridge filter. Located in The Woodlands, Texas. Trouble Free Pool since April 2009.
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