It is currently May 24th, 2013, 10:29 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]



 Page 1 of 1 [ 16 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Aeration and PH
PostPosted: August 1st, 2007, 7:32 pm 
Lifetime Supporter
Lifetime Supporter

Joined: June 26th, 2007, 11:44 am
Posts: 68
In an attempt to lower TA a little, I have dropped the PH with dry acid, and have been aerating like crazy, but the PH is not coming back up. How long does this usually take?


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: August 1st, 2007, 10:08 pm 
Site Admin
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: May 7th, 2007, 3:03 pm
Posts: 28109
Location: Silver Spring, MD
The rate of PH increase depends on how high your TA is and to a lesser extent what other factors might be trying to move the PH. A day is a long time to go without seeing any change, an hour without changes wouldn't surprise me if TA isn't too high.



_________________
19K gal, vinyl, 1/2 HP WhisperFlo pump, 200 sqft cartridge filter, AutoPilot Digital SWG, Dolphin Dynamic cleaning robot
TFP Admin. Creator of The Pool Calculator. Other handy links: Support this site, TF Test Kits, Pool School
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: August 1st, 2007, 11:00 pm 
Registered User

Joined: May 24th, 2007, 12:18 pm
Posts: 148
Location: Houston, Texas, USA
LadywithIron.
In addition to what Jason said, how much aeration you produce is also important. The more aggressive your aeration, the faster it will go. I aerated my pool to drop TA from 130 to 80 in about 8 hours. Here is a picture of my home-made aerator :whoot:



_________________
Poor Man's Pool
Doughboy 18 ft round above ground
7600 gal with center drain
Pentair sand filter, 1 HP pump
50 ppm borates
"I know just enough to be dangerous"
Pool Calc Ver 1.41 (Excel)
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: August 1st, 2007, 11:04 pm 
Lifetime Supporter
Lifetime Supporter
User avatar

Joined: April 8th, 2007, 11:47 am
Posts: 1572
Location: Waaay NW MN
Holy guacamole! That is one heck of an aerator!



_________________
18x33x52 Buttressfree Seaspray (Wilbar) AGP - 1.5hp Pentair Maxim w/22" Pentair Meteor Sand Filter, Aqua Rite SWG System, Biltmore Walk In Steps - 2/4x20 Solar Panel Setup - Pool Rover Jr - finally hard plumbed the whole darned thing -
Beats Driving to the Lake!
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: August 2nd, 2007, 11:25 am 
Special Contributor
Special Contributor

Joined: April 1st, 2007, 8:12 am
Posts: 15210
Location: Raleigh, NC
Quote:
Here is a picture of my home-made aerator


Man, do I like that!! PVC is a marvelous invention and you have used it very effectively.

My only disapoint is that you don't show a picture of the 396 cu in Chevy V-8 engine that MUST be powering that bad boy!! :lol: :lol:



_________________
Dave S.
Site Owner
TFTestkits owner
TFTestkits , Pool Calculator , Pool School
Online
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: June 4th, 2008, 10:50 am 
Registered User
User avatar

Joined: May 28th, 2008, 10:20 am
Posts: 47
Location: Sioux City, IA
I'm off to Home Depot right after I submit this post. :-D



_________________
"Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy." -B. Franklin

In-ground, vinyl lined, 20'x40', 3-10' deep, solar heater, sand filter, 3/4hp pump, Dolphin Pro, Cover Star Auto Cover.

A proud BBB convert.
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: June 5th, 2008, 3:37 pm 
Lifetime Supporter
Lifetime Supporter
User avatar

Joined: April 27th, 2008, 10:36 am
Posts: 480
Location: MN
I picked up one of these on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pool-Water-Fountain ... dZViewItem



_________________
25k gal 18x36 Oval IG, Hayward S-200, Raypak 206A, Hayward Pump, Century Centurion Motor, Century PB-4 Booster Pump, Polaris 380
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: July 15th, 2008, 9:45 pm 
Lifetime Supporter
Lifetime Supporter

Joined: May 30th, 2008, 9:18 am
Posts: 65
Location: Fort Gratiot MI
Poseidon wrote:
LadywithIron.
In addition to what Jason said, how much aeration you produce is also important. The more aggressive your aeration, the faster it will go. I aerated my pool to drop TA from 130 to 80 in about 8 hours. Here is a picture of my home-made aerator :whoot:


Holy cow now THAT is what I call adding air to water.

I was so impressed I had to make my own. It is drying right now and I will definitely be using it when needed. Plus the kids will probably love it! :)

Thanks for a great idea and the pics
Brian



_________________
24' round Vinyl liner Doughboy 48" deep 52" sidewall
1hp Doughboy pump w/timer
Doughboy Silica II filter with Zeosand
Raypak 180,00 btu heater
BBB method
Sundance Optima '97 450 gal. spa w/Delzone ozonator
Beats driving to the lake, and I'm only a block away from the lake!!
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aeration and PH
PostPosted: August 8th, 2008, 1:30 am 
Registered User

Joined: August 7th, 2008, 10:14 pm
Posts: 36
That's a pretty awesome aerator. I've got the high TA problem and my pool jet pointed at the surface stirs it up pretty god but for all practical purposes the TA hasn't budged.

I have been wondering. Would weighting the end of my shop vac hose into the pool and the (cleaned!) vac set on discharge maybe do the trick???



_________________
ETexas 24,000 Vinyl lined IG cartridge filter:(
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aeration and PH
PostPosted: August 8th, 2008, 7:26 am 
JayGee wrote:
That's a pretty awesome aerator. I've got the high TA problem and my pool jet pointed at the surface stirs it up pretty god but for all practical purposes the TA hasn't budged.

I have been wondering. Would weighting the end of my shop vac hose into the pool and the (cleaned!) vac set on discharge maybe do the trick???

You are dropping your pH to 7.0 before aerating,right?
Aeration does not lower TA. Dropping the pH by adding acid lowers TA. Aeration brings the pH back up without causing TA to rise.


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aeration and PH
PostPosted: August 8th, 2008, 9:46 am 
Registered User

Joined: October 5th, 2007, 10:35 am
Posts: 86
Location: Philadelphia, PA
I just lowered my TA from 180 to 90 using the acid/aeration method. Doing this took about six lbs of dry acid (left by the previous owners of the house), 1 gal of muriatic acid, and several days. I would add acid each morning and evening bringing the pH down to around 7. After a few hours of aeration the pH would be back to 7.2. I found that no amount of aeration would raise the pH above 7.2.

I aerated by using a 45 deg elbow and a 2' length of 1 1/2" PVC on the return. This caused a low fountain to break the water surface injecting a surprising amount of air into the water.

To get the pH to a more comfortable 7.5, I added a few cups of borax after the TA was down to 90.



_________________
11x27 in ground, vinyl pool
~12,500 gal
PAC FAB (Pentair) Pinnacle 3/4 hp pump
Pentair 24 sq ft DE filter
One skimmer, one return (no main drain)
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aeration and PH
PostPosted: August 8th, 2008, 9:38 pm 
Registered User

Joined: August 7th, 2008, 10:14 pm
Posts: 36
waterbear wrote:
You are dropping your pH to 7.0 before aerating,right?
Aeration does not lower TA. Dropping the pH by adding acid lowers TA. Aeration brings the pH back up without causing TA to rise.

Actually- no I haven't. I'm new and have been studying a couple different sites. I first stumbled upon this DYI notion on "pool solutions" for whatever that may be worth here. I don't know if there's contradictory suggestions or not. I do know I haven't 'got it' yet. I registered here to settle into one set of advice and one school of thought so as not to be bouncing between them.
I'm still weeding through the 'pool school.'
So it's off to lower the PH. At this rate my wife will refuse to get in the pool because of "all the acid in it."



_________________
ETexas 24,000 Vinyl lined IG cartridge filter:(
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aeration and PH
PostPosted: August 8th, 2008, 9:43 pm 
ITI and Mod Squad
ITI and Mod Squad

Joined: May 20th, 2007, 2:59 pm
Posts: 11502
Location: SWSuburban Chicago, IL
JayGee wrote:
waterbear wrote:
You are dropping your pH to 7.0 before aerating,right?
Aeration does not lower TA. Dropping the pH by adding acid lowers TA. Aeration brings the pH back up without causing TA to rise.

Actually- no I haven't. I'm new and have been studying a couple different sites. I first stumbled upon this DYI notion on "pool solutions" for whatever that may be worth here. I don't know if there's contradictory suggestions or not. I do know I haven't 'got it' yet. I registered here to settle into one set of advice and one school of thought so as not to be bouncing between them.
I'm still weeding through the 'pool school.'
So it's off to lower the PH. At this rate my wife will refuse to get in the pool because of "all the acid in it."


Don't worry about it, I made the same mistake the first time I tried it. :oops:

I aerated, and my PH went up a bit...TA didn't budge. I was like Huh? Went a re-read the article....oh.Duh. :mrgreen:

It's all so overwhelming at first, it's easy to miss things. Good luck on your process!



_________________
Helpful links: Pool School; The Pool Calculator; CYA/Chlorine Chart
24' round AG pool, 52" high, Raypak heater; Waterway 2 spd Pump;
150 Sq ft. Clearwater Cartridge Filter; Former and DISSATISFIED "Pool Frog" owner
NO LONGER FRUSTRATED thanks to TFP.com
http://www.PerfectlyClearPoolService.com
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aeration and PH
PostPosted: August 24th, 2008, 7:27 am 
Lifetime Supporter
Lifetime Supporter

Joined: August 2nd, 2008, 4:50 pm
Posts: 31
Location: Woodstock, IL
How's this for aeration?

Thanks for all the great idea's.


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.



_________________
Bob
18,500 gal IG Vinyl pool, 300lb sand filter/1.5 hp pump, 925V Hayward Navigator Pool Cleaner,
192 sq ft solar heat, TF-100 test kit, BBB for pool chemistry and love it.
Our pool build slideshow http://s366.photobucket.com/albums/oo10 ... =slideshow
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: March 8th, 2009, 11:18 pm 
Registered User
User avatar

Joined: December 6th, 2008, 8:03 pm
Posts: 186
Location: Fort Worth TX
Poseidon wrote:
LadywithIron.
In addition to what Jason said, how much aeration you produce is also important. The more aggressive your aeration, the faster it will go. I aerated my pool to drop TA from 130 to 80 in about 8 hours. Here is a picture of my home-made aerator :whoot:


Anyone have an idea if this is using screwed in nozzles or just holes drilled? The flow seems rectangular not round like a hole would do. I have a portable 1/2hp 1855 GPH portable pump that has 1-1/2 outlets. Any idea if a "T" bar like this with some holes drilled in would be enough to use on TA reduction aeration? Which method is better shoot the water down or make a sprinkler out of the pump and shoot it higher?



_________________
Double Roman Gunite In ground Pool (14,000 gal)
Aquatech NS/FNS-48 7lb DE filter w/2-skimmers
Polaris 280
BBB along with Borates
iPhone Pool Calculator App
TF100
Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aeration and PH
PostPosted: June 24th, 2009, 11:01 am 
Lifetime Supporter
Lifetime Supporter
User avatar

Joined: May 15th, 2009, 10:30 pm
Posts: 222
Location: Pomeroy, Iowa
I made mine from a sump pump I had around. I brought the pipe up to pool height, tee'd it, then drilled 12 1/8" holes in the pipes on each side of the tee. I capped off the ends, & fit the pipes in the tee. I didn't glue the pipes going sideways from the tee, and I can point them different directions if I want, they hold in really good & usually I point one up in the air & one more straight out to maximize the water surface area. The pressure from the jets holds the pipes & tee firmly against the pool wall, so I don't have to fasten it to anything. I've brought my TA down from 250 to a current 120 & still going.



_________________
12,900 Gal. 24' X 48" ABG Vinyl Round (17th Birthday)
1HP Hayward Pump w/S180T Hayward Sand Filter
AquaTrol RJ SWCG 2011 startup
TFP Method since '09, TF100
50ppm Borates, June '12
Offline
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
 Page 1 of 1 [ 16 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  


TroubleFreePool.com The Web